miami1lt

Very good point...and there are also probably a lot who know a ****-ton about cars, but have selected to spend money on things other than just cars. Just because somebody hasn't owned an exotic car doesn't mean they don't understand them...and how many people on here are leasing? Most exotic car guys lease vice buy. Not saying that is a bad option, just saying that true exotic car ownership doesn't make you an expert.

With that, I'll take your advice and bite my tongue...thanks for the reality check!

jrcart

For the record I have nothing against Nissans or Acuras or the people that drive them, I just really found it amussing that you and your resume feel qualified to call a Black Series as POS or the OP to call an SLS overpriced...if somebody pays the asking price its obviously not over priced( for the record SLSs are going for over MSRP right now in some places) just because you can't afford one does not make it overpriced.

As for your opinon on the M6 being a Black Series equall????? WTF are you smoking? they are not even close, apples and oranges bro. Have you ever seen a Black Series and a C63 side by side on a track? I think you would change your opinion after seeing that match up play out. The C63 is a great car, if I did not have the luxury of owning several vehicles and had to rely on one all around car for everything it might be a C63 but don't try to compare the two, the similarities end at the 6.3 badge on the fenders.

SebringSilver

There was a time when threads stayed on-topic for at least the first few pages. Would be great to see those days again.

Your new signature is hilarious, btw.

SebringSilver

Sounds like your Christmas is going to come a little bit early this year. Well done! I can't wait to start seeing them on the street.

miami1lt

@JrCart

You know, this all started because of some bashing of people posting "comical" threads. Not sure why it got so personal, but I'll take the hit for making the POS comment and making it personal.

The "just because you can't afford one" comment...I think that is inline with why an exhaust on a Ferrari that is the same amount of material as that for a GT500 would cost about $15K more...I agree that if somebody pays it, it isn't overpriced...to that person. But in the end, there are many things in this world that have a high price tag on name alone (pretty much all MB products are in this category--my extremely underwhelming ML is living proof of that).

I haven't seen a CLK/C-63 side-by-side...I've seen some track numbers posted on drag-times (believe you ran around 11, right--with NOS that is?). It appears that most of the drag times are similar between a modded C63 ($10K worth) and a stock or lightly-modded CLK...but others can probably give more "real-world" perspective on this.

Anyway, sorry to get you all fired up. I admit, I haven't driven a CLK63, and I haven't posted 3K+ times on here...so I will yield to your expertise and experience. Thanks for guiding me in the righteous direction.

tls1212

in my country Malaysia selling this SLS AMG with the pricing USD625,000 tht super expensive but you guy is lucky can get lower price with tax

jrcart

Ya, his new sig is hilarious because it says 2007 CLK 63 Black Series (SOLD Biggiest POS Ever), the only problem with that is that the CLK 63 Black Series was only sold in 2008 so not only is Miami a tool, he is a stupid tool to boot. Get your facts straight before trying to go toe to toe with me Miami.


....I'm sure the stupid tool is going to change is "hilarious" sig to show 2008 CLK so he does not look like such a stupid tool but for the record it said 2007.

miami1lt

Nahhhh...actually, since I've been reguided in the right direction, it is now on my wish-list...are you sure there wasn't a 2007...there are like 100000 websites. Can't believe reputable companies like C&D and Motor Trend would get that wrong...shame on them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNzuI7LO5lE

And I'm not trying to go toe-to-toe with you. I actually like you and your spirit...by the way, if the M6 is no comparison (or any BMW), then why do you have M3/M5 rims on your car? They look nice, seriously...but I thought it was an M5 until I saw the badge!

jrcart

Ya, I'm positive, the CLK 63 Black Series is a 2008, that is the only model year the car was produced. Go to the AMG private lounge and see for yourself if you don't believe me.

miami1lt

No, I do...you own it...just can't believe there is bad info on the internet

Ok, seriously, I had fun jousting, but I did get out of line...love your car...didn't mean to offend you, and wish to get this back on topic. Sorry if I offended you or your car...I wouldn't want somebody calling my car names. Especially if they drove something I could smoke. So sorry bout that!

Brad

Brian GT PRO

JRcart, cut Miami1lt some slack my friend. I think everyone needs to get a grip, and get back on topic. The BS is an awesome car, and not many will get to see/experience one, and in terms of it's capabilities..it is really a great car. I do also agree that for a car that does many things well as an all around car the C63 is a hard package to beat, that's why I bought one. To be honest...I enjoy driving it more than my 360 Modena..if you can believe that. Anyhow..That's my 0.2cents worth.

As Rodney King would say "can't we all just get along"

miami1lt

^^^Thanks Brian...and I just offered my peace accord...soft diplomacy should prevail.

And thanks for jumping in...hope someday I can see a Black Series (was going to put BS, but thought that may be taken the wrong way) up close.

Not too many sweet MBs down here in Honolulu...if there are, they don't drive them much.

miami1lt

Brian, BTW and WAY off topic...how did the little "secret" session go? You know SuperLube isn't the only one out there looking for some other options at the Primary Cats

MB_Forever

Wow, this thread de-railed into so many different directions.... and it was an off-topic to begin with

harrower

Getting back to the topic at hand, I would hardly call the SLS a slowpoke of a car. We need to consider that it is a large GT car and has all the features of a lux automobile so of course it is not as fast as a stripped down super-car. At the end of the day I highly doubt that 0.3-0.8 sec matter much for the average person and people who quote these seem to forget that these tests are conducted by factory drivers who are expert drivers. I highly doubt that average driver could get 100% of the performance out of the SLS. I think it is awesome and like the SLR will set a very high standard for the competition to match in its class.

JM

I was lucky to drive the SLS in Las Vegas less than 2 weeks ago,

Numbers on paper does not do the car justice, and also I personally think its more of a GT car, you cant get a GT car and a Track car at the same time can you?

Also the feel of the car and the exhaust is just incredible.

If you guys are wondering on price

Its Shy under $200k base price

and options fully loaded with tax will run you shy of $300k

Its an incredible car, drive it and feel it

Do not make judgements because numbers think its slow... its about the feel of the car... or you will turn in to one of those fan boys where they go

I can spend $100k and get a car faster and crazier than you.

Its not about that its about the drive and feel of the car.

Also btw there are 8 on order in Vancouver now

AlexCim

I think people often confuse the difference between cost and worth. Just because it seems that the SLS costs a lot to you, doesn't mean the car isn't worth whatever price it is to someone else.

Also, I think with low volume cars you don't sell them just based on paper figures. There is always an X-factor, and that is what the SLS has. You want fast, get a GTR and mod the **** out of it. You want that something else, that something the SLS offers? Pay the money.

You know, for me personally, its all about the smile on my face, that is my measure of worth. If the smile is there, big and proud, whatever I paid was worth it.

BI-TURBO-LOVER

Guys the SLS AMG is a amazing car but im just saying for 300k i rather have a 458 italia. And i think the car is too slow sense 90% of magazines compare it to GALLARDO LP560 SUPER, 458 ITALIA, 911 TURBO pdk, R8 V10, 599 Gt and more. I just think AMG mb could realy prove it self as one of the best performance in a much more aerodynamic, lighter and smaller cars like the SLS, but using the 6.2 v8 high reving engine is not in the SLR or the SL65 black series so why place this engine in the SLS amg and give it 50 more ponies and slap a price tag of just under 250-300k. This engine is not made for super cars or real sports cars in my opinon.

Now the C63 is a difrent story sexy car, seats 5, very nice interior, handles amazing, and very very fast for what it is! Its a sedan a luxury sedan that goes fast and handles good, this engine is perfect for this car and the price is perfect as well. And yes i drive a 2010 E550 coupe fully loaded for 58k bought it used with 400 miles on it. its quick annd full of luxury and a new bodystyle.

I love the 6.2 engine its just not made for super cars. The engine in my CL600 felt alot quicker and i think it would of been nice to see the SLS amg have it with a updated tranny.

LZH

Bi turbo-
u really have NO clue whatsoever. Do u even know that the Sls motor is a true dry sump???do u even know what dry sump is??? How about the many awards the 63 motor has won??? Engine of the year in2009 iirc. U think the sls is too slow SENSE the magazines compare it to other lambos et al??? U make no since bro. Give it a rest and just hope u are lucky enough to one day drive one.
The new 63 motor in the sls is one of the best ever made and totally bulletproof. Saying that it doesn't belong in a supercar or a sports car just proves your ignorance.

BI-TURBO-LOVER

And its the best N/A engine and yet MB is going F/I in 2011?

AlexCim

They are going FI for environmental reasons more than power reasons. Then people will be able to do some weak off-boost driving to conserve fuel.

From Wikipedia. Not perfect source, but good enough in this case.

"Corporate average fuel economy

In the United States, due to an inability to meet federal corporate average fuel economy regulations, Mercedes-Benz was fined a record US$30.66 million in 2009.[12] Certain Mercedes-Benz cars including the S550, and all AMG models sold in the United States also face an additional gas guzzler tax.[13]

In 2008, Mercedes had the worst CO2 average of all major European manufacturers, ranking 14th out of 14 manufacturers[14]. Mercedes was also the worst manufacturer in 2007 and 2006 in terms of average CO2 levels, with 181 g and 188 g of CO2 emitted per km, respectively[15]."

arctichaze

15k Paint? does it glow in the dark or something?

jrcart

Where are you getting your info???? My dealer has an SLS that is expected into to arrive any day and the MSRP is $197k...why do you keep saying $300k?

AMG Dictator

I don't know why 300K keeps coming up. The base price of the SLS is $183,000. Pluse delivery, gas guzzler and options. It was announced at the New York Auto show.

Throw in Matte paint, carbon trim, ceramic brakes, upgraded wheels, performance suspension, and and you have an MSRP around 210K plus the other tax and delivery stuff.

They have the latest price list over on the Private Lounge. The 5K carbon mirrors are gone

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/privatel...ad.php?t=16871

I don't want to post it as they have been getting testy about that.

I think what you are going to find is that many people that own the first SLS's will also own the first 458's.

I think the SLS delivers. 2/3 the cost of a SL Black Series and better performance at the track.

Ugly or not (for the record I like 78% of the design)

SebringSilver

While it's a subjective thing, I don't even find it ugly. At first glance, it looked a bit chunky, but after seeing it in person, the proportions work very well, and definitely pays homage to the orignal 300SL Gullwing. I can see myself driving an SLS if I'm in my late 40's (which isn't too far away )!