news for c63 new engine ?
news for c63 new engine ?
08-23-2010, 10:44 AM
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I don't think the new engine will be here in 2012 for the C (I may be wrong, but I don't think so). The new C-class AMG coupe is getting the 6.2 engine (looks like with the performance package), and rumors are saying the new Black Series will be a C-class coupe with the 6.2 engine. Why would M-B and AMG spend that much money on engineering a new car and then put an engine in it that they plan to use for 1 year? And if the engine architecture is so old school, why does the SLS use a (heavily) modified M156? Obviously AMG knew the TT was coming when it was designing the SLS.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
08-23-2010, 11:31 AM
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I don't think the new engine will be here in 2012 for the C (I may be wrong, but I don't think so). The new C-class AMG coupe is getting the 6.2 engine (looks like with the performance package), and rumors are saying the new Black Series will be a C-class coupe with the 6.2 engine. Why would M-B and AMG spend that much money on engineering a new car and then put an engine in it that they plan to use for 1 year? And if the engine architecture is so old school, why does the SLS use a (heavily) modified M156? Obviously AMG knew the TT was coming when it was designing the SLS.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
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08-23-2010, 01:21 PM
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I don't think the new engine will be here in 2012 for the C (I may be wrong, but I don't think so). The new C-class AMG coupe is getting the 6.2 engine (looks like with the performance package), and rumors are saying the new Black Series will be a C-class coupe with the 6.2 engine. Why would M-B and AMG spend that much money on engineering a new car and then put an engine in it that they plan to use for 1 year? And if the engine architecture is so old school, why does the SLS use a (heavily) modified M156? Obviously AMG knew the TT was coming when it was designing the SLS.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
This makes perfect sense. The exclusivity of the biturbo motor allows MB to distance the E AMG pricing well above the base C63 and also eliminates the need to detune the motor for marketing purposes. I would not me surprised to see a 520HP C63 with MCT available once the new motor implemented in the other model lines.
08-23-2010, 01:47 PM
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This makes perfect sense. The exclusivity of the biturbo motor allows MB to distance the E AMG pricing well above the base C63 and also eliminates the need to detune the motor for marketing purposes. I would not me surprised to see a 520HP C63 with MCT available once the new motor implemented in the other model lines.
08-23-2010, 02:31 PM
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I don't think the new engine will be here in 2012 for the C (I may be wrong, but I don't think so). The new C-class AMG coupe is getting the 6.2 engine (looks like with the performance package), and rumors are saying the new Black Series will be a C-class coupe with the 6.2 engine. Why would M-B and AMG spend that much money on engineering a new car and then put an engine in it that they plan to use for 1 year? And if the engine architecture is so old school, why does the SLS use a (heavily) modified M156? Obviously AMG knew the TT was coming when it was designing the SLS.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
And from a marketing perspective, having the new TT engine in the E- and S- classes while the C- keeps on with the 6.2 will provide the marketing and (perceived) performance separation that should exist between these cars. My prediction is that the more performance-focused (i.e., trackable) AMGs - the C class and SLS - will keep the NA motor for a while.
08-23-2010, 05:03 PM
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I don't think any W204 or anything based on it (E-Coupe or forthcoming C-Coupe) will ever have the 5.5l engine. It apparently won't fit!
Hence the continued use and development of the 6.2. This engine ain't done with yet
Hence the continued use and development of the 6.2. This engine ain't done with yet
08-23-2010, 05:16 PM
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Not being overly schooled in the differences between these two engines, can someone give me the Engine 101 on the real differences? With my Viper, no replacement for displacement was my thought. Besides the obvious, what makes one more desirable?
08-23-2010, 05:30 PM
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Very simple: Normally aspirated vs. turbo. Each has its own fanbase. As with most other manufacturer's applications the new turbo will make more power, get better fuel economy, be more tuner friendly, not sound as good, be more complicated, and be less appealing to old-school sports-car afficienados. That's why they used the 6.2 in the SLS. The most common analogy is probably the Porsche 911. The turbo models are faster and quieter, but all the enthusiast magazines drool over the normally aspirated GT3 variants. Everybody needs to drive both kinds of cars and make up their own mind. I for one am not a big fan of turbos, but apparently they are getting much better all the time.
08-24-2010, 09:06 AM
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Will the new 5.5 have the monstrous grunt of the 6.2 model? I hope it sounds close because it's one of the reasons I got an AMG instead of a bimmer or audi
08-24-2010, 09:59 AM
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I was confirmed by a friend at the dealer that the new C class will NOT have the new engine, it will be the current engine with more HP and add-ons...
08-24-2010, 11:17 AM
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You can check out the sound in the new S63 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWY2C9vTvBY
The red one in the video sounds really mean, so they managed to get it right for a turbo engine.
The red one in the video sounds really mean, so they managed to get it right for a turbo engine.
