bluejae

i think from reading through threads, i was only able to find one member RNS- 11z who has them...

is there any more information regarding these headers like dyno charts, expected gains and such.

i've seen some vids of the sound but that was a full exhaust system.

Sincity

I was looking into the Cargraphic system and the problem is that you cannot use the headers alone and must buy the mid-pipes. By the time you do that, you could buy the MBH setup.

RNS-11Z

The car graphic system is not a true LTH system. I can tell you when i modified my collector cone and extended the header pipes i lost some 15rwhp. How ever insaying that i ran my pb 12.0 @ 121mph. I believe i could go evenfaster.
I gained a good 5mph over the stock exhaust. The welds on the system is perfect. The valve control works perfect. The only thing i would recommend is take off the little stoppers on the clamps (if you buy the system you will know what i mean).
If you want pricing, google BPS Chiptek in Australia brisbane and email James.

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bluejae

the MBH set up you have to cut and weld.

MHP set comes with the mid pipes as well doesn't it? but just bolts on

i was told the cargraphic is just bolt on. i'm not looking for the full system all the way to replacing the mufflers.

if i get the headers and mid pipes, isn't that essentially the same? what am i missing?

bluejae

are you saying i'll have to modify something to install the headers and mid pipe? idk what the collector cone is.

Sincity

The Cargraphic setup with mid pipes is like the MHP setup (installation wise). It takes you from the heads to the the resonator and is bolt-on. Supersprint has a setup coming our way soon. But according to Evosport and others, they had warranty issues in the past and drop them as a supplier. YMMV.

bluejae

ok then... that's exactly what i was looking for. but there are no performance numbers on the cargraphic headers right? shoot, as long as i don't lose HP and the sound is awesome i'll be happy

RNS-11Z

Im making 410rwhp i just put a video up on youtube look for 'c63 cargraphic exhaust' or aussie c63

RNS-11Z

And the setup is direct bolt on

bluejae

did you do a before dyno?

sounds awesome.

direct bolt on is what i want

harrower

See here for dyno charts on Cargraphics. https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ers-c63-3.html

obsidian05e55

410rwhp. Aren't guys making more than that with just a tune?

bluejae

not only were the thumbnails so small i missed the dynos in my own thread, it barely enlarges to see it clearly.

there are some gains so that's better than nothing

i'll definitely be getting a custom tune with it so hopefully i'll get the most out of them when installed.

harrower

Look here then and send them email asking for larger dyno charts
http://www.cargraphic.de/index.php?/...218,5078,5595/ I have them but they exceed size allowed for attachments. Send me email address by PM and I will send them.

gyrex

Hi guys,

I've just ordered my cargraphic exhaust and tune from Jason @ BPS (Bayside Performance in QLD, Australia) with the exhaust and tune being fitted by Andrew @ Superior Automotive in Mona Vale, Sydney. Will post results and video of pre and post dyno when completed.

Can't wait to see the results!

Cheers,

John

AMG-010

Did you end up getting cargraphic exhaust installed. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

gyrex

I'm getting it installed tomorrow actually! I'm bringing the video camera to record the note pre and post install as well as the gain after tune/exhaust.

AMG-010

Did you get just get the rear mufflers with remote control or headers and mid pipes as well?
Do you mind me asking the cost.

gyrex

Got the whole system headers-mufflers.

Including tune it was $7K I think... Where do you live?

AMG-010

That doesn't seem like a bad price as a tune is around $2,000 plus.
I live in Brisbane not far from BPS. I was thinking of just getting the remote rear mufflers but not sure if it's possible to bolt on factory system.

AlexCim

I have a question. Are the things you're buying from James at BPS real Car Graphic products or replicas?

I contacted a shop here in Melbourne that has contact with Car Graphic and the head of sales in Germany said they don't/havn't dealt with anyone from Brisbane/BPS/etc. Maybe he buys through a dealer or something, I dunno.

Anyway, the reason I ask is because the best price we could get here in Melbourne was like 5000 euro, which, once converted and then freight added on top, I don't know how BPS offer it for the same price but in AUD and delivered to my door.

gyrex

My understanding is that the exhaust is a replica. Apparently the exhaust is made by the same manufacturer/fabricator that cargraphic use. Either way, I'm expecting good things for dropping $7K on a tune/exhaust. I'll keep you posted with pics and videos.

RNS-11Z

this is correct, it is exactly the same.

gyrex, did you get the system with or with out cats?

gyrex

With the 200 cell high flow cats... Will be installed tomorrow

soldier2304

So wait a second, you guys are paying 5k+ for a system that's not even authentic (replica)? How much does the real cargraphic header system cost? 10k?