MB_Forever

Welcome Weistec to the forum and let me say I'm glad there is someone out there working on this project I've been waiting to see the 63 supercharger project emerge for a long time now

Now....not to be negative at all, but we've seen many C63s hit 480 rwhp by just having long-tubes and a tune and with only half the cost. I think the real magic number, which everybody will be looking for with any supercharger kit, is really 600 rwhp. So I look forward to Stage 2 results and other developments to come

dodger63

600 rw would be great. That could be worth the $$

jrcart

I can't wait to see what mine makes with the SLS cams, machined and ported heads, bigger valves, longtubes, cat delete and race fuel I would love to see even a 100 hp gain from my current numbers.

DD GT3 RD

I do think the cool thing about the SC is that you can hit that 480whp without a super loud car. Some cant handle or want a DD that is as loud as a catless long tube header car. So the sc is just another option, which is always a good thing.

Even Money

Their website has the stage 2 at $27,999. Imagine what you could do with that $$$ spent on LT headers, etc., etc....

Those that don't like the noise of LT headers, overrated..You can get bolt in silencers to alleviate the issue.

ZephyrAMG

HOLEY CRAP, $15,000.00 ??????????? and the stage 2 at $28,000.00????????

Slap me twice and call me Suzy...

superlubricity

Suzy!

Weistec

Just to clear things up, our Stage 1 supercharger system for the Mercedes SLS is $27,999, and $14,999 for the other models. Pricing for our Stage 2 system is not on the website as of this time, but we don't expect a huge jump in cost. More information will be available shortly. Thanks.

jrcart

$15K is a bargain for 130+ hp IMO, thats not much more than the cost of a nice set of high quality LT's, a good tune and new airbox/intake and all those mods will not net you anywhere close to the Weistec claimed 130+ hp gain. Furthermore the Weistec system is soon going to get a CARB approval which should be a huge advantage, no more emmisions worries. The truth of the matter is this Weistec system probably makes more sense for more people than doing LT/Intake/Tune modifications becuase they will not have to deal with emmisions stuff and it will maintain a closer to stock decibal levels. I have obviously opted for "all of the above and then some" but I'm probably an extreme case, I think they priced the product perfectly for this market.

GHAZAN

best tune, LTH, and renntech intake are 8.5k installed....

Weistec

Thanks for the hospitality. We understand the concerns of people making very good power with other bolt on parts, but our ultimate goal with our Stage 1 system is to have a 50 state legal zero drama 500+ rwhp Mercedes. Some people may have been a victim of California's "referee" and can completely understand where we are coming from. Having no cats or even long tubes with cats is a huge fine and it is my understanding that many other states will soon be adopting California's laws.

With that said, we are developing our Stage 2+ systems which will focus more towards performance. Thanks again.

dodger63

And intake is basically a waste so cut 2k off that. If your doing bang for buck!

jrcart

$8500 installed??? How do you figure? I just visited the websites of Renntech, evosport and MHP which are probably the 3 biggest players in the 63 arena, in looking at their prices MHP appeared to have the lowest price of about $9500 for their highest level tune, LT's and airbox, Renntech was over $13k for thier best stuff(LT's, race gas tune and cf airbox) and evosport was close to $11k and none of the prices included instalation, not sure how you came up with that $8500 installed figure, but let us know because I bet half the guys on the board will jump all over that product you mentioned at those prices.

...and all that stuff is gonna make you 60-80 hp not 130+

Go check it out for yourself.

dodger63

Call everyone wheeling and dealing
I think you can get a tune and header package for 4,000 now

C63fan

Do you mean Renntech air intake is a waste? Have you tested it? Or you mean other intake?

emericr

Great work and that should be a great future forumwar battle (S/C M versus S/C AMG).
You may not be able to get that kind of hp with LTH and tune but if you care about warranty, this S/C will definitely void everything related to powertrain.

dodger63

WAIT! Is that it sounded like! No I was referring to bang for the buck,, I meant, jrcart is talking about dyno numbers if you add a 2,000.00 intake on top of header & tune it's not going to show it's worth..

What I meant was take that out and look at the bang for tour buck with say a tune header which if u shop right u can get somewere near 4,000.00

jrcart

Really, Wow, i had no idea MHP site shows $3995 for headers and $3495 for their best 63 tune plus $1995 for their airbox. Renn is in the ballpark of $13K for their top of the line package.

If you're accurate about the $4000 price the MB/AMG market just turned into the Mustang market

jrcart

Longtubes and a tune will void a warranty just a quickly, especially if you're talking about a major warranty related repair such as an engine or tranny popping. One would assume most guys looking for 80 plus HP gains are not too concerned with warranty issues to begin with...you play you pay, gotta be ready to write that check if you break something playing with a car modded at ANY level beyond factory stock, if you're worried about warranty coverage leave it stock.

SonnyakaPig

I agree with you completely about the noise factor. But regarding the daily driver aspect, it depends on several factors, like where you live, the time of year (season), whether this blower has a boost bypass valve, whether you have a vented hood, and how precise the tune is.

Stage 1 seems very safe but for me, I would take the LT road in a second, even with the noise factor, because a top mount twin screw on a big M156 is hot and that has caused me problems in the past with a somewhat similar setup.

SonnyakaPig

Great point. But, with the silencers installed, power may be slightly affected and in that case for daily driving, the blower would provide more accessible power... assuming it's not the summer time in a desert region of SoCal, where the car may pull timing after a few blasts on the throttle.

Btw, I'm not sure how much power is lost by the silencers. And I don't intend to take this thread off course, I was just pointing out that if there is a power loss from the silencers, that could be something to consider, in favor of the blower route.

dodger63

WAIT! Is that it sounded like! No I was referring to bang for the buck,, I meant, jrcart is talking about dyno numbers if you add a 2,000.00 intake on top of header & tune it's not going to show it's worth..

What I meant was take that out and look at the bang for tour buck with say a tune header which if u shop right u can get somewere near 4,000.00

SonnyakaPig

I'm pretty sure almost all supercharger companies claim that they are close to obtaining CARB approval, and they either never get the E.O. or it takes much longer than they anticipated.

I will be very happy for Weistec and for the consumers who purchase their blowers when they get CARB approval, but until I see their name for the M156 on the CARB website, I'll just wait and see.

SonnyakaPig

No, that's not how it sounded. It sounded exactly like you meant it, within the context of this subject of bang for buck.

SonnyakaPig

Even at $4,000, it's twice the price of header/tune/install, domestic. And that's because of far less production.

Just pointing out that $4K for headers and tune is a great deal for the C63, but is not as cheap as the domestic car market.