OE Tuning/Gintani C63 vs MBH/ASCG C63
07-20-2011, 10:23 AM
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I've seen the car and James and Peter told me about the mods on it because they are installing much of the same things on my car. My code won't be the same or even sourced from the same tuner because I have the Weistec at the heart of it and have to have code from them for that.
I think that after a while I get some cars confused. xtyper, pertplus, other cars at ACG and cars my own customers tell me about can get muddled together because I'm not taking notes.
Plus on top of that, I'm trying to integrate what other people are doing into my own plans for my car. One of the big open issues is the exact configuration of the exhaust. I would like to have test pipes to install but I also have to be able to install cats to get through smog and I have to have a version of software that can be loaded that support those cats.
Just as an aside, if I was a tuner, I would be much more circumspect on public forums about coding to eliminate cats and as tuning shops I wouldn't be talking about doing that very much. I consider CARB to be one step down from Hitler. I really wouldn't want to cross the smog *****. The ticket for the end user who removes cats is $2750.00 if I remember correctly. Knowing them, its probably higher and I can't imagine what it would do to commercial enterprises caught doing the work and coding.
Jim
I think that after a while I get some cars confused. xtyper, pertplus, other cars at ACG and cars my own customers tell me about can get muddled together because I'm not taking notes.
Plus on top of that, I'm trying to integrate what other people are doing into my own plans for my car. One of the big open issues is the exact configuration of the exhaust. I would like to have test pipes to install but I also have to be able to install cats to get through smog and I have to have a version of software that can be loaded that support those cats.
Just as an aside, if I was a tuner, I would be much more circumspect on public forums about coding to eliminate cats and as tuning shops I wouldn't be talking about doing that very much. I consider CARB to be one step down from Hitler. I really wouldn't want to cross the smog *****. The ticket for the end user who removes cats is $2750.00 if I remember correctly. Knowing them, its probably higher and I can't imagine what it would do to commercial enterprises caught doing the work and coding.
Jim
Im looking forward to the Weistec results. Hopefully you are a track guy.
Dyno's are fun, but track results tell all and as you can see from this thread real world results leave so much more room for discussion.
07-20-2011, 10:26 AM
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07-20-2011, 10:47 AM
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Thanks guys. Many runs were made, with the same results. The runs were any car got an unfair jump were not included. Each run was fair and from an even go. xtyper will agree with me on this. I have no plans to rematch unless considerable or different mods are done. FYI, there is no such thing as a partial reflash from the dealer, so I will not be entertaining that notion. Other fully modded C63s have also seen the same outcome.
OE Tuning FTW!
OE Tuning FTW!
And for the record, to anyone who may speculate that there was monkey business going on since it was tuner's own car, I assure you Jeremy is a very standup guy who always wants objective results, even if it doesn't put his own product on top. Jeremy is an amazing tuner with clearly some proven real world results.
I consider myself very lucky to have such great vendors like OE Tuning and ACGSD in my backyard.
07-20-2011, 10:52 AM
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My next considerable mod is you tuning my spare ECU!
And for the record, to anyone who may speculate that there was monkey business going on since it was tuner's own car, I assure you Jeremy is a very standup guy who always wants objective results, even if it doesn't put his own product on top. Jeremy is an amazing tuner with clearly some proven real world results.
I consider myself very lucky to have such great vendors like OE Tuning and ACGSD in my backyard.
And for the record, to anyone who may speculate that there was monkey business going on since it was tuner's own car, I assure you Jeremy is a very standup guy who always wants objective results, even if it doesn't put his own product on top. Jeremy is an amazing tuner with clearly some proven real world results.
I consider myself very lucky to have such great vendors like OE Tuning and ACGSD in my backyard.
07-20-2011, 10:55 AM
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And for the record, to anyone who may speculate that there was monkey business going on since it was tuner's own car, I assure you Jeremy is a very standup guy who always wants objective results, even if it doesn't put his own product on top. Jeremy is an amazing tuner with clearly some proven real world results.
It would be hard for the TUNER to do any monkey business to always win races short of having a hidden nitrous tank. People can take a dive and lose a race. Sandbagging if you will, while an inferior car can't pull tricks to win. By definition it would be the superior car all along.
So, don't take my comments along those lines. Now that I know whats going on, I personally would expect you to lose all the time. I can explain why I feel this way if I see you at the shop later.
And for the record, I have no bias one way or the other. I can't use whatever code James and Peter normally use nor can I use OE code. I couldn't care less which one is better. If generically OE code is better I would encourage ACG to start selling that product. Who wouldn't want to sell the best assuming similar profits?
Jim
07-20-2011, 11:01 AM
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I'm also not a fan of shipping my ECU :-/
07-20-2011, 11:30 AM
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If you think I am implying that, that is incorrect. In fact, it would be my expectation that you will lose in races no matter what.
It would be hard for the TUNER to do any monkey business to always win races short of having a hidden nitrous tank. People can take a dive and lose a race. Sandbagging if you will, while an inferior car can't pull tricks to win. By definition it would be the superior car all along.
So, don't take my comments along those lines. Now that I know whats going on, I personally would expect you to lose all the time. I can explain why I feel this way if I see you at the shop later.
And for the record, I have no bias one way or the other. I can't use whatever code James and Peter normally use nor can I use OE code. I couldn't care less which one is better. If generically OE code is better I would encourage ACG to start selling that product. Who wouldn't want to sell the best assuming similar profits?
Jim
It would be hard for the TUNER to do any monkey business to always win races short of having a hidden nitrous tank. People can take a dive and lose a race. Sandbagging if you will, while an inferior car can't pull tricks to win. By definition it would be the superior car all along.
So, don't take my comments along those lines. Now that I know whats going on, I personally would expect you to lose all the time. I can explain why I feel this way if I see you at the shop later.
And for the record, I have no bias one way or the other. I can't use whatever code James and Peter normally use nor can I use OE code. I couldn't care less which one is better. If generically OE code is better I would encourage ACG to start selling that product. Who wouldn't want to sell the best assuming similar profits?
Jim
Hurry up and get to the shop...I'm just chilling here waiting got James with my thumb up my ****.
07-20-2011, 11:42 AM
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obviously you guys have a great setup so it's just a question
07-20-2011, 01:30 PM
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i'm not trying to open a can of worms or anything crazy so people don't write back and get defensive......but how does your setup stack up against the same MHP setup ? have you guys ever run a similar MHP car ?
obviously you guys have a great setup so it's just a question
obviously you guys have a great setup so it's just a question
MHP tune and headers I ran best in 40F -1600DA 11.19@125.xx
OE tune with MHP headers. Ran best in 85F +1200-1400DA 11.26@126.99
07-20-2011, 01:53 PM
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Damm Mthis: 0-60 in 3.2???
What does this all mean as far as the tune is concerned? They are somewhat similar? Are the results we are seeing is in the headers/exhaust between Jeremy's and xtyper's car?
What does this all mean as far as the tune is concerned? They are somewhat similar? Are the results we are seeing is in the headers/exhaust between Jeremy's and xtyper's car?
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07-20-2011, 02:10 PM
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Sry to butt in but I ran both tunes at one point,
MHP tune and headers I ran best in 40F -1600DA 11.19@125.xx
OE tune with MHP headers. Ran best in 85F +1200-1400DA 11.26@126.99
MHP tune and headers I ran best in 40F -1600DA 11.19@125.xx
OE tune with MHP headers. Ran best in 85F +1200-1400DA 11.26@126.99
Did you run the OE tune + MHP headers on the same -1600DA day? I cant imagine you wouldnt pickup at least 2 10th's going from +1200 DA to -1600DA.
I need to get another ECU....
Off topic question.. Is there any way to mate an ECU that isnt married to my car to my car? Meaning if someone had an ECU to sell could I mate it with my car? Could it even be used without mating it?
07-20-2011, 02:16 PM
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Interesting...
Did you run the OE tune + MHP headers on the same -1600DA day? I cant imagine you wouldnt pickup at least 2 10th's going from +1200 DA to -1600DA.
I need to get another ECU....
Off topic question.. Is there any way to mate an ECU that isnt married to my car to my car? Meaning if someone had an ECU to sell could I mate it with my car? Could it even be used without mating it?
Did you run the OE tune + MHP headers on the same -1600DA day? I cant imagine you wouldnt pickup at least 2 10th's going from +1200 DA to -1600DA.
I need to get another ECU....
Off topic question.. Is there any way to mate an ECU that isnt married to my car to my car? Meaning if someone had an ECU to sell could I mate it with my car? Could it even be used without mating it?
For u last Q:
From what I know so far it's not possible but talk to Jeramy I'm sure he can help u.
07-20-2011, 02:21 PM
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Interesting...
Did you run the OE tune + MHP headers on the same -1600DA day? I cant imagine you wouldnt pickup at least 2 10th's going from +1200 DA to -1600DA.
I need to get another ECU....
Off topic question.. Is there any way to mate an ECU that isnt married to my car to my car? Meaning if someone had an ECU to sell could I mate it with my car? Could it even be used without mating it?
Did you run the OE tune + MHP headers on the same -1600DA day? I cant imagine you wouldnt pickup at least 2 10th's going from +1200 DA to -1600DA.
I need to get another ECU....
Off topic question.. Is there any way to mate an ECU that isnt married to my car to my car? Meaning if someone had an ECU to sell could I mate it with my car? Could it even be used without mating it?
I think you would need to bring the spare ECU to the dealer and have
it coded with your vin or the car will not run. This is what I've been
told by my service advisor. It would be nice to get confirmation from
a tuner.
Mike
07-20-2011, 02:24 PM
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That Sheds some good light on the two tunes even when one is matched for the headers. Now the big question is what would a matched OE tune + Gintani combo run and what would an MHP tune with the Gintani system run? I think this fall is looking to be a great one!
See how much better track results can be...
Edit: I spoke with Jeremy and he said that he didnt have the ability to do it himself yet. I am going to call my dealer and check.
07-20-2011, 02:32 PM
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07-20-2011, 02:33 PM
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Yes sir. That was done at the track and it was from a 11.36 pass VBox verified also bc I got the 60-130 verified from the same run.
Dodger and DAD C63 have ran under 3sec I believe. (thanks to the glue at the track lol bc on street no way I'm seeing 3.2 or under 4sec)
07-20-2011, 02:35 PM
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The best ive run on the street was 4.2 0-60 on Nitto NT05's. Vbox verified. Im in the high 3's with the glue.
07-20-2011, 02:36 PM
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I think you should check out the M156 sect. of BB.com MHP is calling OE out on claims OE made that they beat a MHP S2 car with theirs. MHP is laughing because they only have 1 S2 car in Cali and the owner has been traveling for 2 mos.
I think there's more to this video than the title suggests, frankly I don't think the MBH/ACG car would lose that badly either.
07-20-2011, 02:39 PM
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Sry to butt in but I ran both tunes at one point,
MHP tune and headers I ran best in 40F -1600DA 11.19@125.xx
OE tune with MHP headers. Ran best in 85F +1200-1400DA 11.26@126.99
MHP tune and headers I ran best in 40F -1600DA 11.19@125.xx
OE tune with MHP headers. Ran best in 85F +1200-1400DA 11.26@126.99
Maybe you should post all the changes to your car including the additional weight reduction, wheel and tire combos, etc between track visits?
Also were you running a race gas tune with OE or just race gas?
Thx
07-20-2011, 02:39 PM
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I think you should check out the M156 sect. of BB.com MHP is calling OE out on claims OE made that they beat a MHP S2 car with theirs. MHP is laughing because they only have 1 S2 car in Cali and the owner has been traveling for 2 mos.
I think there's more to this video than the title suggests, frankly I don't think the MBH/ACG car would lose that badly either.
I think there's more to this video than the title suggests, frankly I don't think the MBH/ACG car would lose that badly either.
LOL.. Screw BB. Sick of the drama over there.
I would like to see this matchup though...
07-20-2011, 02:47 PM
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Has there been drama? I haven't been on the net in a few mos so if there was I missed it. Seems kind of dead?
MHP is game but at the same time for OE to comment about a race that never happened to make themselves look better is dumb dumb dumb.
thx
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