c63, US used car market...little help?
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c63, US used car market...little help?
Hey guys,
I'm currently looking at moving from my 335i into a c63, and could use a little help;
I live in Canada, and the simple fact is that there just aren't that many used options up here as far as finding the right car. (<30 to >300) I've done my due diligence researching the process of bringing a car up from the states, and it doesn't seem so bad.
however, the prices of comparable US vehicles (from one US car to another) have a huge swing, sometimes up to $10k, and I'm trying to pin down what fair market value would be so as to make reasonable offers on acceptable vehicles. I dont want to low-ball, but I certainly don't want to start too high either.
using this car as an example, and all things being equal (year, options, mileage, condition, clean accident history etc) what do you guys think of the asking price vs market value, and probable sale price?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb
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I'm currently looking at moving from my 335i into a c63, and could use a little help;
I live in Canada, and the simple fact is that there just aren't that many used options up here as far as finding the right car. (<30 to >300) I've done my due diligence researching the process of bringing a car up from the states, and it doesn't seem so bad.
however, the prices of comparable US vehicles (from one US car to another) have a huge swing, sometimes up to $10k, and I'm trying to pin down what fair market value would be so as to make reasonable offers on acceptable vehicles. I dont want to low-ball, but I certainly don't want to start too high either.
using this car as an example, and all things being equal (year, options, mileage, condition, clean accident history etc) what do you guys think of the asking price vs market value, and probable sale price?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb
***if this is a members FS ad, I hope you don't mind me using it, please message me and ill be happy to remove it. thanks for the input guys.
Last edited by bucktown; Aug 8, 2011 at 04:01 AM. Reason: clarification
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Well considering this car is relatively new, you could probably ask 53k for it. And I think that you would get it, since the new 2012 will start appearing soon.
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heres an example of what i mean, this first one is asking just under 58 with <4000 miles
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...25&cardist=103
where as this one is 70k
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
and this one (a little more mileage) for 52??
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
I understand that with more cars to draw from im going to find more discrepancies in prices, but a 17k difference is pretty excessive, no?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...25&cardist=103
where as this one is 70k
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
and this one (a little more mileage) for 52??
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
I understand that with more cars to draw from im going to find more discrepancies in prices, but a 17k difference is pretty excessive, no?
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I've test driven the one for 52k from Carmax. It was a pretty clean car from my visual inspection. It didn't have the options I wanted so I passed on it.
I would suggest if you were looking in that price range to go with Dr_jitsu's.
I would suggest if you were looking in that price range to go with Dr_jitsu's.
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thanks you for your input!
I have looked at your car a # of times, and have used it as a reference for my price-point against a # of other cars. I always trust the enthusiast community far more than the dealerships as far as reasonable prices for used cars. The only things stopping me from putting an offer in on your car are the tune and the distance.
With all the hoops I have to jump through to get the car inspected, registered, insured, and have MB honor their warranty in Canada, I have a feeling that any sniff of aftermarket on the car I bring in will shoot me in the foot, especially a tune. I have a couple connections at MB dealerships and im looking into it, but i think a bone stocker is my best bet. Also, to cross the border, I have to add 6.1% duty, and 5% provincial sales tax. plus the MB inspection and any applicable changes to the vehicle (mph to kph in the cluster, daytime running lights, immobilizer etc) so with shipping from tex factored in, I would have to low-ball your asking price just to make it come in at par with a comparable Canadian car after all is said and done.
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im assuming lighting package and multimedia?
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There is a list that you may want to inquire that specifies all vehicles that are able to be moved from the U.S. to Canada. I would do a little more research as the mods needed to be completed in order to make it compliant with Ontario standards and registered with MTO can be quite expensive. Also I am pretty sure that because of the emissions standards on the vehicle it does not qualify as a vehicle that can be brought over. Do your due dilligence before buying, you dont want to get stuck with a car you cant even bring over.
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thanks you for your input!
I have looked at your car a # of times, and have used it as a reference for my price-point against a # of other cars. I always trust the enthusiast community far more than the dealerships as far as reasonable prices for used cars. The only things stopping me from putting an offer in on your car are the tune and the distance.
With all the hoops I have to jump through to get the car inspected, registered, insured, and have MB honor their warranty in Canada, I have a feeling that any sniff of aftermarket on the car I bring in will shoot me in the foot, especially a tune. I have a couple connections at MB dealerships and im looking into it, but i think a bone stocker is my best bet. Also, to cross the border, I have to add 6.1% duty, and 5% provincial sales tax. plus the MB inspection and any applicable changes to the vehicle (mph to kph in the cluster, daytime running lights, immobilizer etc) so with shipping from tex factored in, I would have to low-ball your asking price just to make it come in at par with a comparable Canadian car after all is said and done.
I have looked at your car a # of times, and have used it as a reference for my price-point against a # of other cars. I always trust the enthusiast community far more than the dealerships as far as reasonable prices for used cars. The only things stopping me from putting an offer in on your car are the tune and the distance.
With all the hoops I have to jump through to get the car inspected, registered, insured, and have MB honor their warranty in Canada, I have a feeling that any sniff of aftermarket on the car I bring in will shoot me in the foot, especially a tune. I have a couple connections at MB dealerships and im looking into it, but i think a bone stocker is my best bet. Also, to cross the border, I have to add 6.1% duty, and 5% provincial sales tax. plus the MB inspection and any applicable changes to the vehicle (mph to kph in the cluster, daytime running lights, immobilizer etc) so with shipping from tex factored in, I would have to low-ball your asking price just to make it come in at par with a comparable Canadian car after all is said and done.
The motor in these cars is pretty much the same as the motor in the E, S, and BS. The main difference (except bolt ons like a full 3 inch exhaust) is that the the throttle bodies on the C's are 50% closed.
MB does this because, how could they sell their higher priced E's, S's, and BS's if the C made the same power?
All the tune does is open them up to the 80% point.
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Having said that, I do believe that there are some very significant taxes you would have to pay, along w/ shipping to get my car to Canada.
What Octane gas do you have there? We have 93 here.
What Octane gas do you have there? We have 93 here.
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There is a list that you may want to inquire that specifies all vehicles that are able to be moved from the U.S. to Canada. I would do a little more research as the mods needed to be completed in order to make it compliant with Ontario standards and registered with MTO can be quite expensive. Also I am pretty sure that because of the emissions standards on the vehicle it does not qualify as a vehicle that can be brought over. Do your due dilligence before buying, you dont want to get stuck with a car you cant even bring over.
the list of qualifications you are referring to is at http://www.riv.ca
more specifically for mb http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safev...see_notes_.htm
ive been researching, and the c63 is an allowable vehicle, (as are most mb) the import procedure is actually fairly straightforward. the tricky part comes when trying to get mb Canada to honour a warranty sold on a us car.
here is some basic info from mb canada http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/...ew_cars/0.html
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The distance, I can understand...but the tune?
The motor in these cars is pretty much the same as the motor in the E, S, and BS. The main difference (except bolt ons like a full 3 inch exhaust) is that the the throttle bodies on the C's are 50% closed.
MB does this because, how could they sell their higher priced E's, S's, and BS's if the C made the same power?
All the tune does is open them up to the 80% point.
The motor in these cars is pretty much the same as the motor in the E, S, and BS. The main difference (except bolt ons like a full 3 inch exhaust) is that the the throttle bodies on the C's are 50% closed.
MB does this because, how could they sell their higher priced E's, S's, and BS's if the C made the same power?
All the tune does is open them up to the 80% point.
car companies up here love voiding the warranties for the smallest aftermarket changes, regardless of a consumers relationship with a dealership. at my bmw dealer, when the key is scanned a report is directly send to bmw canada and if any codes relating to a tune are detected, the entire warranty is void on the spot. common sense goes right out the window. we both know that my cat-back couldn't have had anything to do with, say, a wheel bearing failure. or a tune had nothing to do with my navi malfunction. but up here the dealership has no onus to prove that one thing affected the other and instead of removing warranty on the modified part they just blanket the whole warranty and the consumer is left in the dark. the moss magnuson act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act) doesn't apply. neither do lemon laws. we really get the short end of the stick as far as automotive comparisons to the US.
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as you can see, there are only 5 2010+ c63 listed on this site in all of canada, all located across the country from me (so id be looking at travel/shipping anyways), and the most comparable car to yours has 32000 kms, and asking price is 62k. http://www.autotrader.ca/a/pv/Used/a...=2010%2c&st=11
so using your car (and pending sale price to the dealer, if you dont mind)
49.5 + 11.1% = $54945
+ 1000 (shipping, doc fees at border)
+ 1000 (inspection, modifications)
=56945
even add 1000 for travel expenses, unforeseen charges etc, and im still coming in under canadian market value (if just) and more importantly getting the car with the mileage/options/condition i want, instead of taking what i can get. a little hassle and some leg work, but im a car guy, i like this kind of stuff
and for the most part we get 91 as premium. but there's a few places around town where you can find 93.
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