Is C63 Really Worth $70k?
08-23-2011, 10:00 AM
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i think im headed to the S500 forum to trash their choice of car now. geez... really? this guy obviously likes the C63 enough to hang out here and post. i dont think i have ever visited the S500 forum... the C63 like all cars is something different to alot of its buyers. to me its a keeper because its my first benz. its an AMG. and it fits what im looking for in a car. if my situation changes then i will get rid of it. but right now it was worth what i paid. i love it and i enjoy the ownership of it. lots of choices for cars, so buy what you want.
08-23-2011, 10:48 AM
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Ahh, so because it has a manual gearbox its a sports car. 
There is always something better yet you own a 15 year old 993 (I do also) and a 7 year old MB. Why did you keep them? The GT2 or GT3 is a much better. The current S550 is leaps above your 2005 in luxury.
So the SL is a car you dont keep? The SLS? Very silly arguement. There is nothing special at all about the S500 or S550. There is no reason to keep them at all. You lease and trade them back in and get another one.
The C63 will be an historic car. Limited production and the biggest NA engine in a MB. If and when they change over to the 5.5 and dump the 6.2l it will gain even more value.
There is always something better yet you own a 15 year old 993 (I do also) and a 7 year old MB. Why did you keep them? The GT2 or GT3 is a much better. The current S550 is leaps above your 2005 in luxury.
So the SL is a car you dont keep? The SLS? Very silly arguement. There is nothing special at all about the S500 or S550. There is no reason to keep them at all. You lease and trade them back in and get another one.
The C63 will be an historic car. Limited production and the biggest NA engine in a MB. If and when they change over to the 5.5 and dump the 6.2l it will gain even more value.
There always be something better. If you own a GT2, you could always get a GT2 RS...etc etc. I own my 993 because I like the way it looks, drives, and it fit my budget.
The S550 is not leaps above my car in luxury. The S550 does not have the leather dash, door panels, parcel shelf and alcantara headliner that my car does. A fully equipped one may have some better, newer, or more advanced technology, but it really doesn't have any more luxury features.
The mercedes SL is absolutely not a car you keep, unless you want to. It will not hold value. The SLS, perhaps is a different story, so you may be correct on that.
I don't intend to keep my S-class forever. I've had it a bit over 3 years, will keep it for another 2 or 3, and get something else. Never did I say that I would keep it forever. I think its silly when people say that.
As for the C63 being historic, I doubt it strongly. One, its the entry level AMG, and two, they built too many of them (even 2k cars a year is too much to really be collectible). You can feel free to hold on to your vehicle as long as you'd like, but I wouldn't bank on making money on the deal or even having the car retain value.
08-23-2011, 11:37 AM
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Its [C63] a compromise by design, and it achieves it's target.
The S500 has only one purpose...to make its occupants as comfortable as possible. The car (500 anyway) is slow, handles like dog****, and isn't particularly fun to drive. Obviously its not a bentley or a maybach, but it gives me the most luxury in its price range.
The C63 tries to be practical, sporty, comfortable, good handling, luxurious, good sounding, etc. the compromise is inherent in its design.
The S500 has only one purpose...to make its occupants as comfortable as possible. The car (500 anyway) is slow, handles like dog****, and isn't particularly fun to drive. Obviously its not a bentley or a maybach, but it gives me the most luxury in its price range.
The C63 tries to be practical, sporty, comfortable, good handling, luxurious, good sounding, etc. the compromise is inherent in its design.
You are 27...who sits in the back of your S class?
08-23-2011, 11:40 AM
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No, its a sports car because it gives you a direct connection with the road and the vehicle itself. It actually meets the dictionary definition of a sports car almost bang on.
There always be something better. If you own a GT2, you could always get a GT2 RS...etc etc. I own my 993 because I like the way it looks, drives, and it fit my budget.
The S550 is not leaps above my car in luxury. The S550 does not have the leather dash, door panels, parcel shelf and alcantara headliner that my car does. A fully equipped one may have some better, newer, or more advanced technology, but it really doesn't have any more luxury features.
The mercedes SL is absolutely not a car you keep, unless you want to. It will not hold value. The SLS, perhaps is a different story, so you may be correct on that.
I don't intend to keep my S-class forever. I've had it a bit over 3 years, will keep it for another 2 or 3, and get something else. Never did I say that I would keep it forever. I think its silly when people say that.
As for the C63 being historic, I doubt it strongly. One, its the entry level AMG, and two, they built too many of them (even 2k cars a year is too much to really be collectible). You can feel free to hold on to your vehicle as long as you'd like, but I wouldn't bank on making money on the deal or even having the car retain value.
There always be something better. If you own a GT2, you could always get a GT2 RS...etc etc. I own my 993 because I like the way it looks, drives, and it fit my budget.
The S550 is not leaps above my car in luxury. The S550 does not have the leather dash, door panels, parcel shelf and alcantara headliner that my car does. A fully equipped one may have some better, newer, or more advanced technology, but it really doesn't have any more luxury features.
The mercedes SL is absolutely not a car you keep, unless you want to. It will not hold value. The SLS, perhaps is a different story, so you may be correct on that.
I don't intend to keep my S-class forever. I've had it a bit over 3 years, will keep it for another 2 or 3, and get something else. Never did I say that I would keep it forever. I think its silly when people say that.
As for the C63 being historic, I doubt it strongly. One, its the entry level AMG, and two, they built too many of them (even 2k cars a year is too much to really be collectible). You can feel free to hold on to your vehicle as long as you'd like, but I wouldn't bank on making money on the deal or even having the car retain value.
08-23-2011, 11:47 AM
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Your extremely narrow definitions and judgements on cars are some of the funniest things I have read on here. I haven't read a review on the C63 yet that states that it isn't a sports car or that it doesn't "gives you a direct connection with the road and the vehicle itself". Its hilarious reading you try to explain why your cars aren't compromises using your own justifications that you apply to other cars. You also say the M3 is a compromise but according to your definition that is must "gives you a direct connection with the road and the vehicle itself" must also be a "true" sports car. I would love to hear you explain to AMG how the C63 isn't a sports car. You must be confusing sports cars with race cars.
But now he is going to quote the dictionary as a sports car is defined as a 2 door light weight car that is low profile and a mid engine.
He cant call an auto and auto, but the C63 is not a sports car. This guy is the best.
08-23-2011, 12:44 PM
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i 100% feel you on owning a car like this so as not to compromise anything when im on the road and hell bent on driving "angry". this car is literally a car that even if im not angry when i start to drive, i inevitably become that way by the time im done. count me in on feeling you 100% on this one. these other guys have no idea what the true definition of "sports car" is.
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08-23-2011, 01:34 PM
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then let me tell you about my sports car. its a 98 ek hatch with a jdm b18c swap. the recent headwork has put me right at 200whp at an impressive 2100ish curb weight. ive intentionally neglected the paint and the body, while opening up the exhaust..... there is no question that when im driving it i feel 100% connection to the road, the car, and even the wind noise howling through the window seams on the broken passenger roll up window that needs manual help to at least keep out the rain.
i 100% feel you on owning a car like this so as not to compromise anything when im on the road and hell bent on driving "angry". this car is literally a car that even if im not angry when i start to drive, i inevitably become that way by the time im done. count me in on feeling you 100% on this one. these other guys have no idea what the true definition of "sports car" is.
i 100% feel you on owning a car like this so as not to compromise anything when im on the road and hell bent on driving "angry". this car is literally a car that even if im not angry when i start to drive, i inevitably become that way by the time im done. count me in on feeling you 100% on this one. these other guys have no idea what the true definition of "sports car" is.
08-23-2011, 01:40 PM
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To answer the original question, value like beauty is in the eye of the beholder or in this case the one who be holding the cash.
As for the sports car, non sports car drivel, I really don't care what it's called as long as it gets out of my way. And yes many 'sports car" drivers hate to give point buys to sedan drivers without some encouragement.
As for the sports car, non sports car drivel, I really don't care what it's called as long as it gets out of my way. And yes many 'sports car" drivers hate to give point buys to sedan drivers without some encouragement.
08-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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then let me tell you about my sports car. its a 98 ek hatch with a jdm b18c swap. the recent headwork has put me right at 200whp at an impressive 2100ish curb weight. ive intentionally neglected the paint and the body, while opening up the exhaust..... there is no question that when im driving it i feel 100% connection to the road, the car, and even the wind noise howling through the window seams on the broken passenger roll up window that needs manual help to at least keep out the rain.
i 100% feel you on owning a car like this so as not to compromise anything when im on the road and hell bent on driving "angry". this car is literally a car that even if im not angry when i start to drive, i inevitably become that way by the time im done. count me in on feeling you 100% on this one. these other guys have no idea what the true definition of "sports car" is.
i 100% feel you on owning a car like this so as not to compromise anything when im on the road and hell bent on driving "angry". this car is literally a car that even if im not angry when i start to drive, i inevitably become that way by the time im done. count me in on feeling you 100% on this one. these other guys have no idea what the true definition of "sports car" is.
Great post.
08-23-2011, 02:30 PM
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what is going on in this thread?
cool it everyone.
yes, the C63 is worth $70k. if you have issues about putting that kind of money up, then look elsewhere.
cool it everyone.
yes, the C63 is worth $70k. if you have issues about putting that kind of money up, then look elsewhere.
08-23-2011, 03:24 PM
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Possibly the most pointless thread ever (sorry guys).
Everyone can agree that for 70K, a C63 can pretty much hang with any car on the market, including all the 200K+ big boys, on and off the track. The only car I can't hang with on the track is the GT3 RS (count the new GT2 as well!)
How people talk here, every car is too much money, except a GTR. Damn I'm tired of the GTR guys. It's really funny that I don't see them on any track days I go to... I guess they're just so much better than everyone else.
That being said not all GTR owners are like that.
Everyone can agree that for 70K, a C63 can pretty much hang with any car on the market, including all the 200K+ big boys, on and off the track. The only car I can't hang with on the track is the GT3 RS (count the new GT2 as well!)
How people talk here, every car is too much money, except a GTR. Damn I'm tired of the GTR guys. It's really funny that I don't see them on any track days I go to... I guess they're just so much better than everyone else.
That being said not all GTR owners are like that.
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08-23-2011, 03:36 PM
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Possibly the most pointless thread ever (sorry guys).
Everyone can agree that for 70K, a C63 can pretty much hang with any car on the market, including all the 200K+ big boys, on and off the track. The only car I can't hang with on the track is the GT3 RS (count the new GT2 as well!)
How people talk here, every car is too much money, except a GTR. Damn I'm tired of the GTR guys. It's really funny that I don't see them on any track days I go to... I guess they're just so much better than everyone else.
That being said not all GTR owners are like that.
Everyone can agree that for 70K, a C63 can pretty much hang with any car on the market, including all the 200K+ big boys, on and off the track. The only car I can't hang with on the track is the GT3 RS (count the new GT2 as well!)
How people talk here, every car is too much money, except a GTR. Damn I'm tired of the GTR guys. It's really funny that I don't see them on any track days I go to... I guess they're just so much better than everyone else.
That being said not all GTR owners are like that.
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
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08-23-2011, 03:39 PM
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08-23-2011, 03:47 PM
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I have a question about lap times for the C63. This is a general question, btw. It seems like the posted times for different road courses that I've seen in auto mags shows the C63 as being on the slower end of available lap times (in comparison to other performance cars), definitely much slower than P-cars, GT-R's and definitely M3's; why do you think that is so?
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Alpina B6 S, 530 PS/1815 kg (sport auto 05/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2tID=157259
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - KTM X-Bow, 240 PS/858 kg (sport auto 04/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Mercedes E 63 AMG, 525 PS/1889 kg (sport auto 03/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 310 PS/??? kg, www.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/372/449102/text/11/
8:10.75 151.27 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,27 km/h - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,27 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:11.1 - 151,27 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder E-gear (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:12.62 - 150.61 km/h - Honda CBR 1000 RR Fireblade, 172 PS/205 kg, Helmmut Daehne, previous record holder www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Duell-am-Ring_422642.html
8:12.8 - 150.43 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo convertible (AutoBild sportscars11/08)
8:13* -- 150.43 km/h - Artega GT, 300 PS/1272 kg (sport auto 12/10) *special sports suspension
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe, 360 PS/1634 kg (sport auto 12/08)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series, 400 PS/1506 kg (sport auto 08/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=134706
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Steinmetz Opel Astra OPC, 285 PS/1418 kg (sport auto Tuning 07)
8:14.98 149.82 km/h - Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW 1-series M Coupé, 340 PS/1514 kg (sport auto 07/11)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg,
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)
8:15* -- 149.82 km/h - Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Ruf 911 CTR II, 520 PS www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
08-23-2011, 03:56 PM
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@ propain,
Thanks for posting those up.
Well, looks like at the Ring the C63 holds its own very well.
A couple results surprise me a bit: 1) E63 has a quicker time and 2) WRX STi has faster km/h.
Very interesting that the C63 was quicker than the 1M.
Thanks for posting those up.
Well, looks like at the Ring the C63 holds its own very well.
A couple results surprise me a bit: 1) E63 has a quicker time and 2) WRX STi has faster km/h.
Very interesting that the C63 was quicker than the 1M.
08-23-2011, 03:57 PM
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I have a question about lap times for the C63. This is a general question, btw. It seems like the posted times for different road courses that I've seen in auto mags shows the C63 as being on the slower end of available lap times (in comparison to other performance cars), definitely much slower than P-cars, GT-R's and definitely M3's; why do you think that is so?
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
To me, brakes, suspension and tires are mods everyone in the racing world has to do, whatever their car, M3 or porsche. So out of the box, not that impressive, but with some minor mods and a tune, you're really killing it on the track.
08-23-2011, 04:01 PM
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The E63 has more HP so no surprise there. Im surpised it had a faster track time though.
08-23-2011, 04:08 PM
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You forgot about these numbers too:
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.22- 168.64 km/h - 2011 Nissan GT-R according to /www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=145617
C63 isn't as fast, but it's still worth the $70k.
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.22- 168.64 km/h - 2011 Nissan GT-R according to /www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=145617
C63 isn't as fast, but it's still worth the $70k.
Nordschleife excluding GP track.
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Alpina B6 S, 530 PS/1815 kg (sport auto 05/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2tID=157259
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - KTM X-Bow, 240 PS/858 kg (sport auto 04/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Mercedes E 63 AMG, 525 PS/1889 kg (sport auto 03/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 310 PS/??? kg, www.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/372/449102/text/11/
8:10.75 151.27 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,27 km/h - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,27 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:11.1 - 151,27 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder E-gear (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:12.62 - 150.61 km/h - Honda CBR 1000 RR Fireblade, 172 PS/205 kg, Helmmut Daehne, previous record holder www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Duell-am-Ring_422642.html
8:12.8 - 150.43 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo convertible (AutoBild sportscars11/08)
8:13* -- 150.43 km/h - Artega GT, 300 PS/1272 kg (sport auto 12/10) *special sports suspension
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe, 360 PS/1634 kg (sport auto 12/08)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series, 400 PS/1506 kg (sport auto 08/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=134706
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Steinmetz Opel Astra OPC, 285 PS/1418 kg (sport auto Tuning 07)
8:14.98 149.82 km/h - Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW 1-series M Coupé, 340 PS/1514 kg (sport auto 07/11)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg,
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)
8:15* -- 149.82 km/h - Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Ruf 911 CTR II, 520 PS www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Alpina B6 S, 530 PS/1815 kg (sport auto 05/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2tID=157259
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - KTM X-Bow, 240 PS/858 kg (sport auto 04/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Mercedes E 63 AMG, 525 PS/1889 kg (sport auto 03/10)
8:10 --- 151.35 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 310 PS/??? kg, www.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/372/449102/text/11/
8:10.75 151.27 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,27 km/h - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,27 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:11.1 - 151,27 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo Sypder E-gear (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:12.62 - 150.61 km/h - Honda CBR 1000 RR Fireblade, 172 PS/205 kg, Helmmut Daehne, previous record holder www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Duell-am-Ring_422642.html
8:12.8 - 150.43 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo convertible (AutoBild sportscars11/08)
8:13* -- 150.43 km/h - Artega GT, 300 PS/1272 kg (sport auto 12/10) *special sports suspension
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe, 360 PS/1634 kg (sport auto 12/08)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series, 400 PS/1506 kg (sport auto 08/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=134706
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05)
8:14 --- 150.12 km/h - Steinmetz Opel Astra OPC, 285 PS/1418 kg (sport auto Tuning 07)
8:14.98 149.82 km/h - Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW 1-series M Coupé, 340 PS/1514 kg (sport auto 07/11)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg,
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)
8:15* -- 149.82 km/h - Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h - Ruf 911 CTR II, 520 PS www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
08-23-2011, 04:11 PM
#198
MBWorld Fanatic!
I have a question about lap times for the C63. This is a general question, btw. It seems like the posted times for different road courses that I've seen in auto mags shows the C63 as being on the slower end of available lap times (in comparison to other performance cars), definitely much slower than P-cars, GT-R's and definitely M3's; why do you think that is so?
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
I'm sure your experience with the car enables you to beat a lot of lesser drivers. I'm always surprised that the C63 doesn't produce quicker times. Also, certain cars that I've seen that definitely have less power than the C63 show higher peak mph during the laps. This confuses me a bit because I consider the C63 to have great breaks (not sure how fade resistant they are, though), so I was thinking perhaps you can break relatively late with the C63 and build up good speed on long straights.
Any thoughts? I know my question is very general and I'm sure there are many factors at play.
Now, if you throw a tune, headers and an exhaust which yield close to 600 HP at the crank on a C63, of course it's going to walk on most other cars, especially on long tracks with lots of straights.
08-23-2011, 04:11 PM
#199
Makes sense about the Evo and STI. They really are good for the track.
08-23-2011, 04:13 PM
#200
You forgot about these numbers too:
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.22- 168.64 km/h - 2011 Nissan GT-R according to /www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=145617
C63 isn't as fast, but it's still worth the $70k.
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.22- 168.64 km/h - 2011 Nissan GT-R according to /www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U
8:05 --- 152.91 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=145617
C63 isn't as fast, but it's still worth the $70k.
And wow, that 8:05 time for the M3 is really moving.
