ECU Tuning Group | Mercedes Benz C63 AMG ECU Upgrade
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To all those who are interested.... sorry to the guys that aren't.
Pascal and I are friends and are also from the same social circle. Singh Autosport was started in the US in December 2003 and has been in the UK since 1991. In that time, we have got to know a lot of tuners and suppliers of tuning tools. I just want to clarify that I have not heard of MPH or have any affiliation with them. I don't know or have even met 'Andy'.
If it comes down to the facts, I can fly to Germany at any given time and meet 'Andy' there and we can have an open discussion about who knows who (childish I know). I say it now and I’ll say it again.... I don't know them. If someone would like to discuss this in person here in the US, they can fly into Van Nuys airport and we can discuss it personally.
If this discussion has to go further, can MHP please join in on this conversation. As a matter of fact, why haven't MHP joined in already?
So here you have it, from the owner of ECU Tuning Group himself.
Jags
P.S. I hope I have explained this well. Any questions you can reach me at (877) 813 9700 x 5
I still can't believe that I'm sitting here writing this. What would you members and viewers like to hear? I'm confused.
Pascal and I are friends and are also from the same social circle. Singh Autosport was started in the US in December 2003 and has been in the UK since 1991. In that time, we have got to know a lot of tuners and suppliers of tuning tools. I just want to clarify that I have not heard of MPH or have any affiliation with them. I don't know or have even met 'Andy'.
If it comes down to the facts, I can fly to Germany at any given time and meet 'Andy' there and we can have an open discussion about who knows who (childish I know). I say it now and I’ll say it again.... I don't know them. If someone would like to discuss this in person here in the US, they can fly into Van Nuys airport and we can discuss it personally.
If this discussion has to go further, can MHP please join in on this conversation. As a matter of fact, why haven't MHP joined in already?
So here you have it, from the owner of ECU Tuning Group himself.
Jags
P.S. I hope I have explained this well. Any questions you can reach me at (877) 813 9700 x 5
I still can't believe that I'm sitting here writing this. What would you members and viewers like to hear? I'm confused.
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I am just joining in not to create any drama but instead to put this puzzle and trying to make sense. I find hard to believe that a tuner of a C63 never heard of MHP(Modern Horse Power) which has been holding the world records on speed and ET for C63 and perhaps other cars.
Anyone that googled C63 would have seen multiple youtube videos of C63 owners breaking records. By the way how come as of 18 November 2011 I am now learning of a company named ECU Tuning Group?
I heard of about 8 other tuning companies:
Cartek
Kleeman
Renntech
Brabus
oetuning
eurocharger
MHP
Dynocomp
but never heard of ECU tuning Group in my life. All the sudden you also display the highest dyno number out of the blue too? uhm....
What other cars do you tune? I had a few VW and BMW and again never heard of your company. I am on about a dozen car forums(Corvette forum, Evolutionm, AZAWD, VW vortex,e90post, 1 addicts, NASIOC, desertstreetars and many more) but again, not even by default I heard of your company either..
Anyone that googled C63 would have seen multiple youtube videos of C63 owners breaking records. By the way how come as of 18 November 2011 I am now learning of a company named ECU Tuning Group?
I heard of about 8 other tuning companies:
Cartek
Kleeman
Renntech
Brabus
oetuning
eurocharger
MHP
Dynocomp
but never heard of ECU tuning Group in my life. All the sudden you also display the highest dyno number out of the blue too? uhm....
What other cars do you tune? I had a few VW and BMW and again never heard of your company. I am on about a dozen car forums(Corvette forum, Evolutionm, AZAWD, VW vortex,e90post, 1 addicts, NASIOC, desertstreetars and many more) but again, not even by default I heard of your company either..
Last edited by C63newdude; Nov 18, 2011 at 08:15 PM.
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Jags. I don't get what you don't understand here. MHP (not MPH) is a respected name on this board and they sell a product that has produced some great results. Respected members of this board, who have the trust of others, have a great deal of respect for them. Get it? Proven people, proven product, proven results.
You roll in here, post up somebody else's dyno chart and say "hello, we are the greatest". We don't know you, we don't know your product. The first time another company is mentioned you act like the reason you don't know them is that you are above it all.
The fact that you don't know a tuner who produces some of the fastest 63's on the planet combined with your attitude about it multiplied by your inability to comprehend why we ask for your CV before we do business with you equals........a big batch of horsehsit if you ask me.
I don't personally know any of the people who's names are being bandied about here. I don't need to cos I can spot a jerk from here. If you're not a jerk I apologize cos what makes you is "a little slow". Sorry, but when I wanna go fast I don't need any slow people around.
You roll in here, post up somebody else's dyno chart and say "hello, we are the greatest". We don't know you, we don't know your product. The first time another company is mentioned you act like the reason you don't know them is that you are above it all.
The fact that you don't know a tuner who produces some of the fastest 63's on the planet combined with your attitude about it multiplied by your inability to comprehend why we ask for your CV before we do business with you equals........a big batch of horsehsit if you ask me.
I don't personally know any of the people who's names are being bandied about here. I don't need to cos I can spot a jerk from here. If you're not a jerk I apologize cos what makes you is "a little slow". Sorry, but when I wanna go fast I don't need any slow people around.
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Jags. I don't get what you don't understand here. MHP (not MPH) is a respected name on this board and they sell a product that has produced some great results. Respected members of this board, who have the trust of others, have a great deal of respect for them. Get it? Proven people, proven product, proven results.
You roll in here, post up somebody else's dyno chart and say "hello, we are the greatest". We don't know you, we don't know your product. The first time another company is mentioned you act like the reason you don't know them is that you are above it all.
The fact that you don't know a tuner who produces some of the fastest 63's on the planet combined with your attitude about it multiplied by your inability to comprehend why we ask for your CV before we do business with you equals........a big batch of horsehsit if you ask me.
I don't personally know any of the people who's names are being bandied about here. I don't need to cos I can spot a jerk from here. If you're not a jerk I apologize cos what makes you is "a little slow". Sorry, but when I wanna go fast I don't need any slow people around.
You roll in here, post up somebody else's dyno chart and say "hello, we are the greatest". We don't know you, we don't know your product. The first time another company is mentioned you act like the reason you don't know them is that you are above it all.
The fact that you don't know a tuner who produces some of the fastest 63's on the planet combined with your attitude about it multiplied by your inability to comprehend why we ask for your CV before we do business with you equals........a big batch of horsehsit if you ask me.
I don't personally know any of the people who's names are being bandied about here. I don't need to cos I can spot a jerk from here. If you're not a jerk I apologize cos what makes you is "a little slow". Sorry, but when I wanna go fast I don't need any slow people around.
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Like I have stated previously, we have been in the industry since 1991. Just because we joined this online forum community as of 24 hours ago, does not mean our experience shall be questioned. But to answer to c63newdude's, we can reprogram nearly any vehicle. Bugatti Veyron, Lamborghini Reventon, the list goes on. Our clientele is made up of business men and women, celebrities, and politicians who have a car collection of $10million to 110+million. I don't mean to sound pompous. I am just stating the truth.
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In response to MHP LLC..
We're not into forum bad mouthing, but if you have an issue with someone or something they represent, you should address it in person. Neither me nor my customers have heard of MHP.
If you guys would like to see a physical fight between ETG and MPH, will that make you feel better?..
LOL We don't hide behind computer monitors.
What you make in 10 years, we spend on fedex box's in 1 year
. Financially, we are on two different pages. Being broke is no joke. I understand why you're mad, and feel like you have to lash out at us.
Our address is on our website, all our customers and competitors can access and find us 24/7. Where are you located? Where is your address? I'm sorry, I didn't realize conducting business out of your home was considered legitimate. For those unaware, here is their address (*deleted by Moderator*). Is this your secret operation?
You work with Pascal? Get a letter from Pascal and post it on the net. Yes, I'm calling you out. If you can't show proof, I would consider you keep your mouth shut.
I apologize but we don't speak to 'internet gangsters' who hide behind their monitors. Come to California and we will address this in person. Whenever you want to be a man, come it's an open invitation.
We're not into forum bad mouthing, but if you have an issue with someone or something they represent, you should address it in person. Neither me nor my customers have heard of MHP.
If you guys would like to see a physical fight between ETG and MPH, will that make you feel better?..
LOL We don't hide behind computer monitors.What you make in 10 years, we spend on fedex box's in 1 year
. Financially, we are on two different pages. Being broke is no joke. I understand why you're mad, and feel like you have to lash out at us.Our address is on our website, all our customers and competitors can access and find us 24/7. Where are you located? Where is your address? I'm sorry, I didn't realize conducting business out of your home was considered legitimate. For those unaware, here is their address (*deleted by Moderator*). Is this your secret operation?
You work with Pascal? Get a letter from Pascal and post it on the net. Yes, I'm calling you out. If you can't show proof, I would consider you keep your mouth shut.
I apologize but we don't speak to 'internet gangsters' who hide behind their monitors. Come to California and we will address this in person. Whenever you want to be a man, come it's an open invitation.
Last edited by splinter; Nov 18, 2011 at 10:27 PM. Reason: personal & superfluous portion removed
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In response to MHP LLC..
We're not into forum bad mouthing, but if you have an issue with someone or something they represent, you should address it in person. Neither me nor my customers have heard of MHP.
If you guys would like to see a physical fight between ETG and MPH, will that make you feel better?.. LOL We don't hide behind computer monitors.
What you make in 10 years, we spend on fedex box's in 1 year. Financially, we are on two different pages. Being broke is no joke. I understand why you're mad, and feel like you have to lash out at us.
Our address is on our website, all our customers and competitors can access and find us 24/7. Where are you located? Where is your address? I'm sorry, I didn't realize conducting business out of your home was considered legitimate. For those unaware, here is their address (*deleted by Moderator*). Is this your secret operation?
You work with Pascal? Get a letter from Pascal and post it on the net. Yes, I'm calling you out. If you can't show proof, I would consider you keep your mouth shut.
I apologize but we don't speak to 'internet gangsters' who hide behind their monitors. Come to California and we will address this in person. Whenever you want to be a man, come it's an open invitation.
We're not into forum bad mouthing, but if you have an issue with someone or something they represent, you should address it in person. Neither me nor my customers have heard of MHP.
If you guys would like to see a physical fight between ETG and MPH, will that make you feel better?..
LOL We don't hide behind computer monitors.What you make in 10 years, we spend on fedex box's in 1 year
. Financially, we are on two different pages. Being broke is no joke. I understand why you're mad, and feel like you have to lash out at us.Our address is on our website, all our customers and competitors can access and find us 24/7. Where are you located? Where is your address? I'm sorry, I didn't realize conducting business out of your home was considered legitimate. For those unaware, here is their address (*deleted by Moderator*). Is this your secret operation?
You work with Pascal? Get a letter from Pascal and post it on the net. Yes, I'm calling you out. If you can't show proof, I would consider you keep your mouth shut.
I apologize but we don't speak to 'internet gangsters' who hide behind their monitors. Come to California and we will address this in person. Whenever you want to be a man, come it's an open invitation.
Last edited by splinter; Nov 18, 2011 at 10:47 PM. Reason: personal / superfluous portion removed
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All u've done till now is talking crap + posted a stolen graph , when Andy posted real records on dynos , graphs , drags and streets.
You just talk man without any proofs ! I've been since 1991 etc bla bla , come on show us what u've got.
Where are your customers ? I bet many of Andy's customer would show up in this thread as I clap my hand cuz he's realistic and his products showed real results as advertised !
Your mad becuz no one is by your side here since you are trying to insult a massive corporation with a huge reputation which your trying to make ur self never heard of ?
Of course you won't hear about MHP since ur deaf !
I bet you just bought a computer and your so happy about it going on forums lol
Your acting like a child , grow up experienced graphs stealer !
All u've done till now is talking crap + posted a stolen graph , when Andy posted real records on dynos , graphs , drags and streets.
You just talk man without any proofs ! I've been since 1991 etc bla bla , come on show us what u've got.
Where are your customers ? I bet many of Andy's customer would show up in this thread as I clap my hand cuz he's realistic and his products showed real results as advertised !
Your mad becuz no one is by your side here since you are trying to insult a massive corporation with a huge reputation which your trying to make ur self never heard of ?
Of course you won't hear about MHP since ur deaf !
I bet you just bought a computer and your so happy about it going on forums lol
Your acting like a child , grow up experienced graphs stealer !
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Oh, and Apu? I'm sorry, that was rude of me. Mr Nahasapeemapetilon. Just one more thing before you head back to to selling Mountain Dew slushies at the Kwil-e-mart. If you ever try to tell us what we can question again I will make a point of pi$$ing on every post you put up on this board until you crawl back under your rock. Move along - there's nothin to see here.
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Actually, Sanjaya, it does. Cos you are what the boys down in Texas call " all hat and no cattle". Why don't you get one of your celebrity clients with $110 million in cars to back you up? You ain't got proof of nothin cos you ain't done nothin.
Oh, and Apu? I'm sorry, that was rude of me. Mr Nahasapeemapetilon. Just one more thing before you head back to to selling Mountain Dew slushies at the Kwil-e-mart. If you ever try to tell us what we can question again I will make a point of pi$$ing on every post you put up on this board until you crawl back under your rock. Move along - there's nothin to see here.
Oh, and Apu? I'm sorry, that was rude of me. Mr Nahasapeemapetilon. Just one more thing before you head back to to selling Mountain Dew slushies at the Kwil-e-mart. If you ever try to tell us what we can question again I will make a point of pi$$ing on every post you put up on this board until you crawl back under your rock. Move along - there's nothin to see here.
Btw I'm proud of his experience , he actually got some courses called
" How to deal with a computer's keyboard"
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OK, Please listen to me. Here are my "fishy" findings. I actually spent the last 10 minutes doing some CSI work on google and here are my odd and questionable findings:
1) The dyno date shows 2000-1-15
2) Motorleistung (gemessen) means motor power measured and it shows 427whp stock. That means that the drivetrain loss is "only " 5.4%(if we use the factory 451 crank hp rating)
3) The torque claims are 543nm which is 400.4 lb-tq which means a 9.3% drivetrain loss(if we use the 443lb-tq crank rating)
4) Torque gain claims are actually 66lb-tq from just a tune (hard to believe) . From 543nm(400.4lb-tq) to 632nm (466lb-tq)
5) Horsepower gains are listed as 86 whp(from 427whp stock to 513whp)
I just have hard times believing all this data (that is my softest version of calling it Bull*****). my .2c
Last but not least, look at the attachment that I loaded. It shows a legitimate dynosheet with no editing of ECU Tuning group. It is very clear to me that someone else dyno has been used for the purpose of false advertizing..
1) The dyno date shows 2000-1-15
2) Motorleistung (gemessen) means motor power measured and it shows 427whp stock. That means that the drivetrain loss is "only " 5.4%(if we use the factory 451 crank hp rating)
3) The torque claims are 543nm which is 400.4 lb-tq which means a 9.3% drivetrain loss(if we use the 443lb-tq crank rating)
4) Torque gain claims are actually 66lb-tq from just a tune (hard to believe) . From 543nm(400.4lb-tq) to 632nm (466lb-tq)
5) Horsepower gains are listed as 86 whp(from 427whp stock to 513whp)
I just have hard times believing all this data (that is my softest version of calling it Bull*****). my .2c
Last but not least, look at the attachment that I loaded. It shows a legitimate dynosheet with no editing of ECU Tuning group. It is very clear to me that someone else dyno has been used for the purpose of false advertizing..
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we can reprogram nearly any vehicle. Bugatti Veyron, Lamborghini Reventon, the list goes on.
I don't know, I'm not the smartest guy in the world but generally I don't think there is a universal table in the ECUs where you go to tweak generic values and that reprogramming cars tends to be done by specialists since they have to spend a great amount of time on certain marques and ECU families within those marques.
But like I said, I'm not the smartest guy.
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I might be the second cheekiest guy on the forum now though...
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yes Jags has been tuning cars for a while, and he does do good work, but there are other tuners in this world that do the same job just as well, MHP, Kleemann, Eurocharged, Brabus, Renntech etc.
I personally have contacted Jags regarding a tune a while back, and it was his attitude that detered me from being a customer, its not like he is cheaper than the other brands, and with his big ego, i'm not getting any better service, so why go with him...
In a business sense, it shouldn't matter if a customer owns 100 cars or 1 car, they should be treated the same, as long as they are getting the same services offered by that business.
If you google Singh Autosport "bad service" there will be a few links, maybe Jags decided Singh Autosport had such a bad reputation, that he needed to change his business name to gain new business, but this thread didn't accomplish that, as we can all tell the attitude that he presents himself here on the forum
and Jags if your reading this, whats this i hear about you threatning to the send some guys over from mexico to murder Arin@ APR (vw/audi tuner) !!!
I personally have contacted Jags regarding a tune a while back, and it was his attitude that detered me from being a customer, its not like he is cheaper than the other brands, and with his big ego, i'm not getting any better service, so why go with him...
In a business sense, it shouldn't matter if a customer owns 100 cars or 1 car, they should be treated the same, as long as they are getting the same services offered by that business.
If you google Singh Autosport "bad service" there will be a few links, maybe Jags decided Singh Autosport had such a bad reputation, that he needed to change his business name to gain new business, but this thread didn't accomplish that, as we can all tell the attitude that he presents himself here on the forum
and Jags if your reading this, whats this i hear about you threatning to the send some guys over from mexico to murder Arin@ APR (vw/audi tuner) !!!
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How would you feel if you are a established/proven leader tuner (MHP) and someone comes to the arena basically reselling a similar product from someone else's R&D and still claiming the highest ever results ever. Wouldn't you be upset?
It takes hard work of testing and research and also lots of investing money to get the fastest C63 on the roads (MHP). To me this whole situation comes to my mind as someone (oportunist) reselling and advertizing someone else tune, I could do that for God sake... anyone could. Anyways, that is just my grain of salt on this forum.
