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I didn't interpret his post as questioning anybody's purchasing decisions and see no reason why anybody should be defensive.Originally Posted by cptdaz
People are going to get defensive when you start the topic questioning their purchase decisions, regardless of whether you are speaking to a c63 crowd or GTI owners.
At the end of the day, GTI and C63 is an apples-oranges comparison - makes no sense to cross shop or compare. If you want a sedan with increased performance and decent gas mileage/comfort, get a C350/335/G37.
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Would I ever go back? HELL NO!
With all your concerns this car is probably not the car for you.
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Would I ever go back? HELL NO!
With all your concerns this car is probably not the car for you.
It's your choice you decide.
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At the end of the day, GTI and C63 is an apples-oranges comparison - makes no sense to cross shop or compare. If you want a sedan with increased performance and decent gas mileage/comfort, get a C350/335/G37.
Depends on the individuals interpretation, some take it personally when there's any mention of cons of product/brand of their choice. And frankly OPs post isn't a generalize comparison; he made very specific ones in practicality of ownership, an area where GTI had the clear advantages.Originally Posted by BK63amg
I didn't interpret his post as questioning anybody's purchasing decisions and see no reason why anybody should be defensive.At the end of the day, GTI and C63 is an apples-oranges comparison - makes no sense to cross shop or compare. If you want a sedan with increased performance and decent gas mileage/comfort, get a C350/335/G37.
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Ok.. I think its spelled 'Your' ... maybe you could use some schooling. Im not spoiled at all. Just fortunate to be able to own this car after years of saving up. Im studying still yes... does that make me a child... not at all. Originally Posted by BK63amg
You're reply was rude and completely uncalled for. You sound like an elitist/spoiled child. Chances are you're probably both since you're still in school.Whoever raised you did a fantastic job.
You have an obvious chip on your shoulder. Congrats on the C63, Im sure you worked hard for it... I definitely worked just as hard if not harder for mine. So STFU you grump.
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I named my car Christine for that reason, I occasionally feed her an "Occupy DC" protestor when I drive through DC Originally Posted by cptdaz
On a related note, I find adding a quart of human blood make the car runs better.

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This is very simple, I you want a fun car that you don’t give a crap about tires and gas then the C63 is the car, if not go get a Honda to save on these things. Simple fact is that you play you pay. As stated I have an everyday car that I don’t give a crap about at that’s my 2011 GTI that in no way will compare to my C63. If you can’t afford it now " its ok ".
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You have an obvious chip on your shoulder. Congrats on the C63, Im sure you worked hard for it... I definitely worked just as hard if not harder for mine. So STFU you grump.
Years of savings well spent, I see.Originally Posted by VaclavSV
Ok.. I think its spelled 'Your' ... maybe you could use some schooling. Im not spoiled at all. Just fortunate to be able to own this car after years of saving up. Im studying still yes... does that make me a child... not at all. You have an obvious chip on your shoulder. Congrats on the C63, Im sure you worked hard for it... I definitely worked just as hard if not harder for mine. So STFU you grump.
The fact that you're still studying doesn't make you a child. Your arrogant and presumptious response to the OP does.
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The fact that you're still studying doesn't make you a child. Your arrogant and presumptious response to the OP does.
Well spent, to me? Yes. Originally Posted by BK63amg
Years of savings well spent, I see.The fact that you're still studying doesn't make you a child. Your arrogant and presumptious response to the OP does.
Ok Dr. Phil. Your psychoanalysis seems to be bang on. Im not sorry for what I said to the OP. Ill be sorry for not making it clear that I felt his questions were not structured well, and were biased.
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the way i see it , if you can afford the car with the possible costly maintenance , then do it
i am lucky enough to have my GLK for my dd . it doesn't matter what forum you belong to , you are always going to have those people with something stupid to say or have rude comments . there are a few members here that use their C63 as their dd , which they posted on this thread . i suggest pm'ing them and ask questions cuz the rude members will always chime in with stupidity
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i am lucky enough to have my GLK for my dd . it doesn't matter what forum you belong to , you are always going to have those people with something stupid to say or have rude comments . there are a few members here that use their C63 as their dd , which they posted on this thread . i suggest pm'ing them and ask questions cuz the rude members will always chime in with stupidity
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To the OP... Your concerns are valid on gas mileage, tire wear, etc. I use the car as a DD and could care less. If those things are an issue for you that are not outweighed by the joy of driving the car then it probably isn't a good fit. Only you can decide this.
@others... Some here have to stop being so defensive and be a little more polite. Everyone is jumping on this guy because you "didn't like the way the questions were worded" or for whatever reason. Relax guys. He didn't insult your Mother or anything serious
. You are leaving the impression that everyone on the forum are jerks.
@others... Some here have to stop being so defensive and be a little more polite. Everyone is jumping on this guy because you "didn't like the way the questions were worded" or for whatever reason. Relax guys. He didn't insult your Mother or anything serious
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Impression? Anyone who's been around internet forums long enough should know that fact. Originally Posted by gthal
You are leaving the impression that everyone on the forum are jerks.
Not talking about mbworld specifically but all forums in general. You know what people say about anonymity and a55holes.
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Not talking about mbworld specifically but all forums in general. You know what people say about anonymity and a55holes.
Well, not EVERYONE is a jerk Originally Posted by cptdaz
Impression? Anyone who's been around internet forums long enough should know that fact.
Not talking about mbworld specifically but all forums in general. You know what people say about anonymity and a55holes.

Also, how true is your second comment. Nothing luck the Internet to bring out the tough guys who can hide behind a computer keyboard and not worry about getting a punch in the head for what they say
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I don't care about things like "cheap interior materials", "door lock pins annoying" "more amg badging on the interior". what i care about are these 5 things:
I used to care about those things but a few simple mods helped with these items, such as the door lock pins and the leather euro armrest.
1) combined city/highway mileage - what are you getting? i'm in stop-n-go every day. my 20 mile communte takes 50 minutes. my gti rated at 22/30 mpg is getting 25 consitently. what can i expect form a c63?
I have never tracked my mpg, being in Canada we dont measure it in that way. What i can tell you, is that coming from a BMW 335, the C63 is only about 10% worse, which isnt bad. I do 95% of my driving in the city and i get about 330-350km to the tank pretty consistently. Its not stellar, but not too bad considering the performance and the type of arena it plays in. On the highway ill get up to 450-550km to the tank. You can work that backwards for miles.
2) rear tire wear - do they really only last 8-10k miles w/o driving hard? i have conti dw's on my gti with 10k and still have more than 60% tread left.
I think the C63 comes standard with th Conti 5's? thats a much different tire than the Conti DW. More in a sense that the Conti 5's wear a lot harder towards the end of thier life. Yes, the rears will give out after 10k (mine did, easy-mild driving style) but i replaced all 4 now with the Conti DW and they are wearing very nicely and so i got to think they wil at least double the life of the Conti 5's, and soften the ride slighty.
3) brake life/excessive dust - will pads last 20k miles? the gti is on 55k with original pads, zero dust ever. the c230 i used to have would have black wheels in a week and pads/rotors needed changed every 15k-20k miles.
welcome to the world of big brakes. Allmost all performance brakes do this. Changing the pads to a different brand will help. I wouldnt say its excessive dust, but its noticable after a week. Cant speak for life as i got 22k KM on mine and so far so good.
4) drivers seat bolster wear - every car i have looked at, even with 15k miles has had signs of wear. is it impossible for them to not wear?
Of all the leather cars ive had (and Ive had them all) the Napa leather in the C63 wears the least. Not sure why, but it just doesnt wear as fast. I remember checking out the new Audi S4 V6T when it came out a couple years ago and sat in one in the showroom only to find the drivers seat already looked like the side bolster had 2 years of wear on it. Sales person said it was 3 days old.
All leather cars will do this. You can keep up on it by using leather cleaner/conditioner on that area of the seat a few times a year.
5) daily comfort - i read the seats are not good for long commutes and the suspension is uncomfortable. i've driven maybe 6 cars and no issue with a test drive, but what about after 45 minutes?
I use my C63 as a daily driver and this area is huge for me. I did NOT opt for the performance package cause i didnt want the harsher suspension. I have a 'sensitive' lower back and neck, this was also an area of concern for me. I have NEVER felt discomfort with the seats either. Im 5'10 180lbs so pretty average. I once had to drive 11hrs in one day and was surprised how i wasnt sore and tired at the end of the evening. Dont get me wrong, its no Lazyboy, but you should find it equal to a GTI perhaps.
Any help and honest feedback is appreciated. I have a deal pending and at this point, leaning towards passing. TIA.
I can tell you i had a ton of great cars over the recent years; VW Jetta, 2001 330xi, 2003 530i, 2004 530i, 2003 M5, 2006 M5, 2007 335i cab, and now the C63. I would never look back. after 18mo i still have a smile on my face everytime i start her up in the morning and drive off. No car has ever been able to do that, even the m5's. Im already considering a 2012 C63 as my next car. WHat i will say about forums, is they tend to steer the path for only hearing the negatives, and when you really look at it, there really isnt too many negatives with this car, its pretty reliable and very easy to live with. Hope this helps. good luck.Originally Posted by jfabes
i've been looking at c63's for a while as a daily driver, about 15k/yr. over the past week or so, i've been swayed away from this car due to this forum, the issues with this car and especially the "things i hate about my c63" thread. so, i'd like some good honest input about this cars reliabilty and maintainability and not simply "the torque and hp outweigh all its annoyances " threads. I see these threads where there are 10 cons and 3 pros and the guy says "the pros outweigh the cons". really?!? i assume the weighted average for those cons is pretty low...I don't care about things like "cheap interior materials", "door lock pins annoying" "more amg badging on the interior". what i care about are these 5 things:
I used to care about those things but a few simple mods helped with these items, such as the door lock pins and the leather euro armrest.
1) combined city/highway mileage - what are you getting? i'm in stop-n-go every day. my 20 mile communte takes 50 minutes. my gti rated at 22/30 mpg is getting 25 consitently. what can i expect form a c63?
I have never tracked my mpg, being in Canada we dont measure it in that way. What i can tell you, is that coming from a BMW 335, the C63 is only about 10% worse, which isnt bad. I do 95% of my driving in the city and i get about 330-350km to the tank pretty consistently. Its not stellar, but not too bad considering the performance and the type of arena it plays in. On the highway ill get up to 450-550km to the tank. You can work that backwards for miles.
2) rear tire wear - do they really only last 8-10k miles w/o driving hard? i have conti dw's on my gti with 10k and still have more than 60% tread left.
I think the C63 comes standard with th Conti 5's? thats a much different tire than the Conti DW. More in a sense that the Conti 5's wear a lot harder towards the end of thier life. Yes, the rears will give out after 10k (mine did, easy-mild driving style) but i replaced all 4 now with the Conti DW and they are wearing very nicely and so i got to think they wil at least double the life of the Conti 5's, and soften the ride slighty.
3) brake life/excessive dust - will pads last 20k miles? the gti is on 55k with original pads, zero dust ever. the c230 i used to have would have black wheels in a week and pads/rotors needed changed every 15k-20k miles.
welcome to the world of big brakes. Allmost all performance brakes do this. Changing the pads to a different brand will help. I wouldnt say its excessive dust, but its noticable after a week. Cant speak for life as i got 22k KM on mine and so far so good.
4) drivers seat bolster wear - every car i have looked at, even with 15k miles has had signs of wear. is it impossible for them to not wear?
Of all the leather cars ive had (and Ive had them all) the Napa leather in the C63 wears the least. Not sure why, but it just doesnt wear as fast. I remember checking out the new Audi S4 V6T when it came out a couple years ago and sat in one in the showroom only to find the drivers seat already looked like the side bolster had 2 years of wear on it. Sales person said it was 3 days old.
All leather cars will do this. You can keep up on it by using leather cleaner/conditioner on that area of the seat a few times a year.5) daily comfort - i read the seats are not good for long commutes and the suspension is uncomfortable. i've driven maybe 6 cars and no issue with a test drive, but what about after 45 minutes?
I use my C63 as a daily driver and this area is huge for me. I did NOT opt for the performance package cause i didnt want the harsher suspension. I have a 'sensitive' lower back and neck, this was also an area of concern for me. I have NEVER felt discomfort with the seats either. Im 5'10 180lbs so pretty average. I once had to drive 11hrs in one day and was surprised how i wasnt sore and tired at the end of the evening. Dont get me wrong, its no Lazyboy, but you should find it equal to a GTI perhaps.
Any help and honest feedback is appreciated. I have a deal pending and at this point, leaning towards passing. TIA.
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Also, how true is your second comment. Nothing luck the Internet to bring out the tough guys who can hide behind a computer keyboard and not worry about getting a punch in the head for what they say
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True true. BTW nice 2012 coupe, Originally Posted by gthal
Well, not EVERYONE is a jerk 
Also, how true is your second comment. Nothing luck the Internet to bring out the tough guys who can hide behind a computer keyboard and not worry about getting a punch in the head for what they say
. Half of what is said on an Internet forum would NEVER be said to someone's face.


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Comparing everything to a GTI......
Fking Mental.....
Does your GTI have 450HP?
Case closed
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Comparing everything to a GTI......
Fking Mental.....
Does your GTI have 450HP?
Case closed
Yes I am one of those forum *******s
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Hahaha I knew I wasn't alone!Originally Posted by Jeffield
Yes I am one of those forum *******s
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None of your questions entered into my mind when I signed on the line for this car. None of the things that you SHOULD be thinking about when buying this car are mentioned. You've taken 6 test drives and still havent determined if this car is for you?
I'll help you out like many others have summarized - this car isnt for you. Move onto something else.
I'll help you out like many others have summarized - this car isnt for you. Move onto something else.
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I don't care about things like "cheap interior materials", "door lock pins annoying" "more amg badging on the interior". what i care about are these 5 things:
1) combined city/highway mileage - what are you getting? i'm in stop-n-go every day. my 20 mile communte takes 50 minutes. my gti rated at 22/30 mpg is getting 25 consitently. what can i expect form a c63?
2) rear tire wear - do they really only last 8-10k miles w/o driving hard? i have conti dw's on my gti with 10k and still have more than 60% tread left.
3) brake life/excessive dust - will pads last 20k miles? the gti is on 55k with original pads, zero dust ever. the c230 i used to have would have black wheels in a week and pads/rotors needed changed every 15k-20k miles.
4) drivers seat bolster wear - every car i have looked at, even with 15k miles has had signs of wear. is it impossible for them to not wear?
5) daily comfort - i read the seats are not good for long commutes and the suspension is uncomfortable. i've driven maybe 6 cars and no issue with a test drive, but what about after 45 minutes?
Any help and honest feedback is appreciated. I have a deal pending and at this point, leaning towards passing. TIA.
1. Avg 15 combined. My best is 22 highway. You will become best friends with your local gas station attendant. Originally Posted by jfabes
i've been looking at c63's for a while as a daily driver, about 15k/yr. over the past week or so, i've been swayed away from this car due to this forum, the issues with this car and especially the "things i hate about my c63" thread. so, i'd like some good honest input about this cars reliabilty and maintainability and not simply "the torque and hp outweigh all its annoyances " threads. I see these threads where there are 10 cons and 3 pros and the guy says "the pros outweigh the cons". really?!? i assume the weighted average for those cons is pretty low...I don't care about things like "cheap interior materials", "door lock pins annoying" "more amg badging on the interior". what i care about are these 5 things:
1) combined city/highway mileage - what are you getting? i'm in stop-n-go every day. my 20 mile communte takes 50 minutes. my gti rated at 22/30 mpg is getting 25 consitently. what can i expect form a c63?
2) rear tire wear - do they really only last 8-10k miles w/o driving hard? i have conti dw's on my gti with 10k and still have more than 60% tread left.
3) brake life/excessive dust - will pads last 20k miles? the gti is on 55k with original pads, zero dust ever. the c230 i used to have would have black wheels in a week and pads/rotors needed changed every 15k-20k miles.
4) drivers seat bolster wear - every car i have looked at, even with 15k miles has had signs of wear. is it impossible for them to not wear?
5) daily comfort - i read the seats are not good for long commutes and the suspension is uncomfortable. i've driven maybe 6 cars and no issue with a test drive, but what about after 45 minutes?
Any help and honest feedback is appreciated. I have a deal pending and at this point, leaning towards passing. TIA.
2. 8-10k is what I've got out of the rears and I don't drive that hard.
3. Yes, lots of dust. Your front rims will look black. I have 30k miles and have not had to replace anything yet.
4. My bolsters are slightly worn, but not that bad.
5. I love the seats for daily use and long trips. And I'm used to firm suspension so it doesn't bother me.
As most have stated, this is not a GTI. It costs more up front and will cost a lot more to maintain. But I think most will say its worth it.
You might consider an M3 as maintenance is included.
Hope this helps.
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Hahaha I knew I wasn't alone!
You know what actually? I am not an *******, I just hate stupid people....
Fking,
How can a grown man not decide between a car for himself?
he took the time to test drive it more than once he should be able to make a decision for him self.
If he doesn't know how to make a decision as a consumer he has bigger problems to worry about than buying a car.
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It's a great daily driver and very comfortable. If you are in stop/go traffic daily, you'll get frustrated and the mpg's aren't as good as your gti. I got 10k miles out of the rear tires, once I put 275's on, only about 6k on the stock tires. The fronts will last 3 times as long. I got over 40k miles on my brake pads, and 50% wear remained before i sold it for the new coupe in my garage. You reference the thread about what people don't like about the C63. Ignore that because there are no deal breakers there, plus, most posts are only specific to that individuals car.
Bottom line...if you can't let go of the slight cost increase to drive this beast, it's not for you.
Bottom line...if you can't let go of the slight cost increase to drive this beast, it's not for you.
wow, that all went south fast. at no point did i ever try to compare ownership of a gti to a c63. that was assumed on your part and you know what assumption is. nor did i ever make anyone question their decision to buy a c63. the c63 was the car for me - from a driving and performance standpoint on a test drive - vs a cts-v, s4 and m5. all i was asking about was long-term reliability and maintenance costs. yes, it is a fun car and is faster than most cars on the road, but what is the truth behind the drawbacks? that's all i was asking. i'm not some young kid with rich parents or single dude in his late 20's. I'm a father of two and a professional with responsibilites. I enjoy power and driving fun cars as much as many of you, but its not the most important thing in my life and my car does not run my life. if all i wanted was power and fun to drive, i would have never posted the questions in the first place. i see i struck a cord with some of you, and that's too bad.
for example, when i posted the same questions on those other car forums mentioned above, i received answers like " oem tires lasted 18k" and "brakes are on 30k with original pads" and "brake dust is bad but it takes a few weeks for them to get real dirty", etc. there are no bolster issues except with the recaros on the cts-v. i didn't get all the negativity and sarcastic responses i received here.
all i was trying to do is tell you what i have now so i know what to expect. if i hadn't said what i drive now, everyone would be saying "well what do you drive now and what are your expectations?" i'm also convinced that many of you did not read my original post in detail or you would have repsonded differently. like the guy who said you never owned a mb. i cleary stated that i had a c230 komp and it ate brakes. it also had tein suspension and had a terrible rough ride and ate rear tires due to the negative camber, but didn't see the need to get into that detail.
of course i can afford the car. why do people keep bringing that up? can't a person have money and be sensible? i'm actually paying cash for it (financing car's is foolish in my mind). i'm just not buying a new one because i like some other sucker to take the resale hit. the issue with the tires and brakes isn't the cost or anything, it's the hassle of having to buy them, then have them swapped out, then worrying about some ahole scratching the rims when changing them, and taking off work to do it, etc, etc. its just an inconvenience, that's all.
thanks to those with the helpful comments (i may pm you). i guess should have said "please keep negative comments to yourself" but then there would only have been about 5 responses instead of 50, and what fun is that LMAO
for example, when i posted the same questions on those other car forums mentioned above, i received answers like " oem tires lasted 18k" and "brakes are on 30k with original pads" and "brake dust is bad but it takes a few weeks for them to get real dirty", etc. there are no bolster issues except with the recaros on the cts-v. i didn't get all the negativity and sarcastic responses i received here.
all i was trying to do is tell you what i have now so i know what to expect. if i hadn't said what i drive now, everyone would be saying "well what do you drive now and what are your expectations?" i'm also convinced that many of you did not read my original post in detail or you would have repsonded differently. like the guy who said you never owned a mb. i cleary stated that i had a c230 komp and it ate brakes. it also had tein suspension and had a terrible rough ride and ate rear tires due to the negative camber, but didn't see the need to get into that detail.
of course i can afford the car. why do people keep bringing that up? can't a person have money and be sensible? i'm actually paying cash for it (financing car's is foolish in my mind). i'm just not buying a new one because i like some other sucker to take the resale hit. the issue with the tires and brakes isn't the cost or anything, it's the hassle of having to buy them, then have them swapped out, then worrying about some ahole scratching the rims when changing them, and taking off work to do it, etc, etc. its just an inconvenience, that's all.
thanks to those with the helpful comments (i may pm you). i guess should have said "please keep negative comments to yourself" but then there would only have been about 5 responses instead of 50, and what fun is that LMAO
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To the OP, I understand your questions and perhaps where some may have misinterpreted what you were trying to ask.
1. I'm going to assume that yes you obviously knew the car wasn't going to be a Prius at the pumps and were more interested in actual real world fuel mileage that we as owners were seeing. I think a few of the members answered this question honestly with the 12-15mpg
2. I went through a set of tires a year on my G37S ( by year I mean summer tires needed to be replaced every 5-6 months..which is the Canadian drive time with no snow lol) So I pretty much knew what to expect from my driving style and how often I'd be replacing tires. I have a friend who has a VW R32 and drives pretty aggressive ( enough to replace tires yearly) which to me shows the GTI/ R32 isn't spectacular on tires. So I would think again that common sense would dictate that driving style + tire selection= how often you'll replace them. If you don't burn out your tires with the GTI then maybe you'll be one of the few who can resist playing in the 63 and make your shoes last longer.
As for the rest of the questions its pretty straight forward. Depending upon how you drive your car will result in how much maintenance you'll be required to do and how much wear ( I'm referring to the seats and interior here) the car will incur. I've yet to own a car where using it as a DD, which is your plan , doesn't result in wear and tear.
All that said I really hope you give the C63 a chance- I knew from the first time I turned the key over that this was my pick over the M3 and the RS4.
As far as negative/positive comments and feedback ... I mean what do you say... I guess some people never heard the " if you don't have anything nice to say" adage
1. I'm going to assume that yes you obviously knew the car wasn't going to be a Prius at the pumps and were more interested in actual real world fuel mileage that we as owners were seeing. I think a few of the members answered this question honestly with the 12-15mpg
2. I went through a set of tires a year on my G37S ( by year I mean summer tires needed to be replaced every 5-6 months..which is the Canadian drive time with no snow lol) So I pretty much knew what to expect from my driving style and how often I'd be replacing tires. I have a friend who has a VW R32 and drives pretty aggressive ( enough to replace tires yearly) which to me shows the GTI/ R32 isn't spectacular on tires. So I would think again that common sense would dictate that driving style + tire selection= how often you'll replace them. If you don't burn out your tires with the GTI then maybe you'll be one of the few who can resist playing in the 63 and make your shoes last longer.
As for the rest of the questions its pretty straight forward. Depending upon how you drive your car will result in how much maintenance you'll be required to do and how much wear ( I'm referring to the seats and interior here) the car will incur. I've yet to own a car where using it as a DD, which is your plan , doesn't result in wear and tear.
All that said I really hope you give the C63 a chance- I knew from the first time I turned the key over that this was my pick over the M3 and the RS4.
As far as negative/positive comments and feedback ... I mean what do you say... I guess some people never heard the " if you don't have anything nice to say" adage






