Would you buy a "new" 2010 (and for how much)?
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Would you buy a "new" 2010 (and for how much)?
Found a 2010 with under 100 miles, never titled. While it seems like an exciting opportunity (for the right price), I started thinking if this could be a BAD thing...
Things like...
- flat spotted tires
- drivetrain that has just sat for a few years
- weak battery
- other?
The other thing is, it's hard to figure out what a good price would be. I mean, it's new, but not new at the same time. Car has the three typical options (MM, Seating, and Premium). What do you guys think would be a good price?
I'm just a bit confused about WHY a C63 would sit untitled for 2 years, with under 100 miles...odd
Things like...
- flat spotted tires
- drivetrain that has just sat for a few years
- weak battery
- other?
The other thing is, it's hard to figure out what a good price would be. I mean, it's new, but not new at the same time. Car has the three typical options (MM, Seating, and Premium). What do you guys think would be a good price?
I'm just a bit confused about WHY a C63 would sit untitled for 2 years, with under 100 miles...odd
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The trick would be coming up with what is the right price. Certainly not at 2010 new price, cost would need to reflect losing 2 years of warranty and whether car has been stored properly for 2 years. I would also want a very good reason as to why it has been undriven for 2 years.
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Last spring I bought a 'new' 2008 E90 M3... pre-production car one of the first to canada. Dealer told me it was used in car shows for the first 2 years and as a display vehicle outside dealerships. Then, since it was owned by BMW Canada and was never allocated to a dealership it ended up sitting in a parking lot for another year and half. Had 128 kms on it when it went to auction and my local dealer snapped it up.
The price I agreed to pay for the car was $62,000 with a full (4 year) warranty. New E90 M3s were selling for closer to $80k at the time.
I took delivery and within 100kms traded it back in after the car threw two codes and needed parts flown in from Germany to fix what I thought were pretty serious issues with the motor. I bought another 2008 with 30k kms on it for almost the same price and I don't regret it.
I bought my 2010 C63 December 31 2010. Car had been sitting for a long time and dealer had lots of 2011s on the lot and coming in. Gave me a great price so I jumped on it. Car has been bulletproof.
Personally if the price was right and you have a reasonably good relationship with the dealer you are buying from I would go for it. If there are serious issues they will show up right away.
The price I agreed to pay for the car was $62,000 with a full (4 year) warranty. New E90 M3s were selling for closer to $80k at the time.
I took delivery and within 100kms traded it back in after the car threw two codes and needed parts flown in from Germany to fix what I thought were pretty serious issues with the motor. I bought another 2008 with 30k kms on it for almost the same price and I don't regret it.
I bought my 2010 C63 December 31 2010. Car had been sitting for a long time and dealer had lots of 2011s on the lot and coming in. Gave me a great price so I jumped on it. Car has been bulletproof.
Personally if the price was right and you have a reasonably good relationship with the dealer you are buying from I would go for it. If there are serious issues they will show up right away.
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I'll take a shot at it. Once you have it checked out and the story makes sense...minimum $16k under MSRP to account for the model year depreciation, assuming full warranty starts at time of purchase and you are 100% satisfied nothing is amiss.
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Thanks all. Found out some more from the dealer that will shed a bit more light on this...
- Car was apparently just never sold at the dealer (this used car dealer that has it now was not sure why it couldn't sell), but "it was driven periodically" (hence the 86 miles). This dealer purchased it from the MB dealer last week.
- This then creates two more very relevant facts. The gas guzzler tax is gone, because it's not a MB dealer "new" sale anymore, AND the warranty starts NOW. So it has a full 4 year 50k mile from right now. Both are wins for sure.
Price wise, the dealer is listing at $13k below sticker. I quickly got them to $14k below. Funny the above poster mentioned $16k below...that's exactly what I countered with. Still a tad above my budget, but I figure with a FULL warranty and a "new" car, it might be worth the little extra.
They are running my BMW through their system to offer me a trade on that, so I'm seeing what they say there too. It's a luxury type dealer, so they may have an interest in my coupe...or they may just low-ball me.
My only regret with this car is that it doesn't have the LSD. But, the more I'm reading, the more the Quaife sounds like a good option, or even the cleaned up MB OEM units that are selling online from one of the tuner companies now. It also doesn't have keyless go, which is no huge deal, but drives me nuts that it doesn't come standard on a $70k car.
- Car was apparently just never sold at the dealer (this used car dealer that has it now was not sure why it couldn't sell), but "it was driven periodically" (hence the 86 miles). This dealer purchased it from the MB dealer last week.
- This then creates two more very relevant facts. The gas guzzler tax is gone, because it's not a MB dealer "new" sale anymore, AND the warranty starts NOW. So it has a full 4 year 50k mile from right now. Both are wins for sure.
Price wise, the dealer is listing at $13k below sticker. I quickly got them to $14k below. Funny the above poster mentioned $16k below...that's exactly what I countered with. Still a tad above my budget, but I figure with a FULL warranty and a "new" car, it might be worth the little extra.
They are running my BMW through their system to offer me a trade on that, so I'm seeing what they say there too. It's a luxury type dealer, so they may have an interest in my coupe...or they may just low-ball me.
My only regret with this car is that it doesn't have the LSD. But, the more I'm reading, the more the Quaife sounds like a good option, or even the cleaned up MB OEM units that are selling online from one of the tuner companies now. It also doesn't have keyless go, which is no huge deal, but drives me nuts that it doesn't come standard on a $70k car.
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It may be hard to argue 2010 trunk money with them, or anyone, since it's a once and one thing. The fact is, people could have (and did) bought 2010's with mega trunk money, and sold them later for a profit. Makes me think 20k off sticker is a huge stretch.
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There was no lighting package on 2010's...only 2011's. BiXenons are in the Premium pack, which it does have.
It may be hard to argue 2010 trunk money with them, or anyone, since it's a once and one thing. The fact is, people could have (and did) bought 2010's with mega trunk money, and sold them later for a profit. Makes me think 20k off sticker is a huge stretch.
It may be hard to argue 2010 trunk money with them, or anyone, since it's a once and one thing. The fact is, people could have (and did) bought 2010's with mega trunk money, and sold them later for a profit. Makes me think 20k off sticker is a huge stretch.
So you are saving 2100 from the gas guzzler tax right?
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Found a 2010 with under 100 miles, never titled. While it seems like an exciting opportunity (for the right price), I started thinking if this could be a BAD thing...
Things like...
- flat spotted tires
- drivetrain that has just sat for a few years
- weak battery
- other?
The other thing is, it's hard to figure out what a good price would be. I mean, it's new, but not new at the same time. Car has the three typical options (MM, Seating, and Premium). What do you guys think would be a good price?
I'm just a bit confused about WHY a C63 would sit untitled for 2 years, with under 100 miles...odd
Things like...
- flat spotted tires
- drivetrain that has just sat for a few years
- weak battery
- other?
The other thing is, it's hard to figure out what a good price would be. I mean, it's new, but not new at the same time. Car has the three typical options (MM, Seating, and Premium). What do you guys think would be a good price?
I'm just a bit confused about WHY a C63 would sit untitled for 2 years, with under 100 miles...odd
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Between these two...
Assuming the same basic price, would you guys lean towards one or the other of these...
- 2010 discussed above: New, with 4 yr/50k new warranty. Options are MM, Premium, Seating. Black (non metallic), black leather, and black wood.
vs
- 2011 with 17k miles: CPO (so in my mind it's the same time period of warranty as the new 4 year warranty starting now on the 2010). Options are MM, Premium/Lighting, Seating (basically the 2011 combo that gets you the same stuff as the 3 option packs on the 2010 above), PLUS the lsd, keyless go, and backup cam. Metallic Gray, light gray leather (which I think I really like, unless it's awful to keep clean or something...seems like it would be less leather leg burn in the summer!), and tan wood (which I'd want to swap at some point for black or carbon).
They seem like such a wash in my mind...wondering if the unique light leather and the LSD/keyless/cam don't give the 2011 an edge? The black paint looks mean for sure, but the metallic gray is nice too, and so much easier to keep looking clean (basically same color as my 335).
- 2010 discussed above: New, with 4 yr/50k new warranty. Options are MM, Premium, Seating. Black (non metallic), black leather, and black wood.
vs
- 2011 with 17k miles: CPO (so in my mind it's the same time period of warranty as the new 4 year warranty starting now on the 2010). Options are MM, Premium/Lighting, Seating (basically the 2011 combo that gets you the same stuff as the 3 option packs on the 2010 above), PLUS the lsd, keyless go, and backup cam. Metallic Gray, light gray leather (which I think I really like, unless it's awful to keep clean or something...seems like it would be less leather leg burn in the summer!), and tan wood (which I'd want to swap at some point for black or carbon).
They seem like such a wash in my mind...wondering if the unique light leather and the LSD/keyless/cam don't give the 2011 an edge? The black paint looks mean for sure, but the metallic gray is nice too, and so much easier to keep looking clean (basically same color as my 335).
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Assuming the same basic price, would you guys lean towards one or the other of these...
- 2010 discussed above: New, with 4 yr/50k new warranty. Options are MM, Premium, Seating. Black (non metallic), black leather, and black wood.
vs
- 2011 with 17k miles: CPO (so in my mind it's the same time period of warranty as the new 4 year warranty starting now on the 2010). Options are MM, Premium/Lighting, Seating (basically the 2011 combo that gets you the same stuff as the 3 option packs on the 2010 above), PLUS the lsd, keyless go, and backup cam. Metallic Gray, light gray leather (which I think I really like, unless it's awful to keep clean or something...seems like it would be less leather leg burn in the summer!), and tan wood (which I'd want to swap at some point for black or carbon).
They seem like such a wash in my mind...wondering if the unique light leather and the LSD/keyless/cam don't give the 2011 an edge? The black paint looks mean for sure, but the metallic gray is nice too, and so much easier to keep looking clean (basically same color as my 335).
- 2010 discussed above: New, with 4 yr/50k new warranty. Options are MM, Premium, Seating. Black (non metallic), black leather, and black wood.
vs
- 2011 with 17k miles: CPO (so in my mind it's the same time period of warranty as the new 4 year warranty starting now on the 2010). Options are MM, Premium/Lighting, Seating (basically the 2011 combo that gets you the same stuff as the 3 option packs on the 2010 above), PLUS the lsd, keyless go, and backup cam. Metallic Gray, light gray leather (which I think I really like, unless it's awful to keep clean or something...seems like it would be less leather leg burn in the summer!), and tan wood (which I'd want to swap at some point for black or carbon).
They seem like such a wash in my mind...wondering if the unique light leather and the LSD/keyless/cam don't give the 2011 an edge? The black paint looks mean for sure, but the metallic gray is nice too, and so much easier to keep looking clean (basically same color as my 335).
as for color, I see one around town that has the gray metallic it looks sick. Black is nice too but a ***** to keep clean (mine is black)
the only thing I cant stand is the burl walnut trim...just looks so out of place but you could always wrap that.
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I'd get the 2011. LSD is a must have for this car, I kind of regret not getting it. Keyless was a feature I didnt really care about but just came with my car and now I think its the best thing ever lol.
as for color, I see one around town that has the gray metallic it looks sick. Black is nice too but a ***** to keep clean (mine is black)
the only thing I cant stand is the burl walnut trim...just looks so out of place but you could always wrap that.
as for color, I see one around town that has the gray metallic it looks sick. Black is nice too but a ***** to keep clean (mine is black)
the only thing I cant stand is the burl walnut trim...just looks so out of place but you could always wrap that.
I think there is something cool about getting a "new" C63 (because I could not afford a 2011 or 2012 new one), but, if all else were equal, I think I would slightly lean to the 2011 too.
Two other things regarding the 2011...I would be the THIRD owner (private sale from a current owner who got it CPO, and I'd transfer CPO to me for a small fee at MB, I believe), which I know isn't awesome for resale, having numerous ownerships. And also, the 2010 is flat out for sale right now. The 2011 is someone's (who just might be on this forum
) who hasn't fully decided on the sale of it. So, the 2010 is a bit of a bird in the hand.I appreciate the thoughts and opinions from all!
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Well, we can always install an LSD into the C63 and always can do a CF wrap on the interior. But no way for Keyless Go and it's very hard to make it factory clean install with the rear view camera. Personally I would love to have these two on my car, well, unfortunately...
Just my $.02
But you're right, a "new" car is really a huge plus. Which means no abuse ever. That's way too attempting.
Just my $.02
But you're right, a "new" car is really a huge plus. Which means no abuse ever. That's way too attempting.
Completely agree all around. I do NOT like that tan wood trim. Does not fit the car at all. I figure the economic sollution is to hunt for someone who is getting CF interior replacement trim who has black wood or aluminum, and I can buy that for a few hundred $, and then sell the tan for a few hundred $, and almost break even.
I think there is something cool about getting a "new" C63 (because I could not afford a 2011 or 2012 new one), but, if all else were equal, I think I would slightly lean to the 2011 too.
Two other things regarding the 2011...I would be the THIRD owner (private sale from a current owner who got it CPO, and I'd transfer CPO to me for a small fee at MB, I believe), which I know isn't awesome for resale, having numerous ownerships. And also, the 2010 is flat out for sale right now. The 2011 is someone's (who just might be on this forum ) who hasn't fully decided on the sale of it. So, the 2010 is a bit of a bird in the hand.
I appreciate the thoughts and opinions from all!
I think there is something cool about getting a "new" C63 (because I could not afford a 2011 or 2012 new one), but, if all else were equal, I think I would slightly lean to the 2011 too.
Two other things regarding the 2011...I would be the THIRD owner (private sale from a current owner who got it CPO, and I'd transfer CPO to me for a small fee at MB, I believe), which I know isn't awesome for resale, having numerous ownerships. And also, the 2010 is flat out for sale right now. The 2011 is someone's (who just might be on this forum
) who hasn't fully decided on the sale of it. So, the 2010 is a bit of a bird in the hand.I appreciate the thoughts and opinions from all!
