M156 head bolt problems
#777
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2014 E63 AMGs, 2015 F-150 Lariat, 2010 Porsche C4S
#778
Lucky by a count of 53 engines?
Well, if I have followed the thread in its entirety, because I knew I had a car which was built right on the bubble, I went ahead and setup the EPC online account, which is rather full of good technical stuff. I found out I have engine serial ending in 60711, so safe by a mere 53 engines...
For reference, I have a 2011 C63 built in 06/10 per VIN tag.
Makes me feel better when I hit the engine later today.
By the way, I see much longer tire life if I constantly drive in manual mode (prefer to use the gear console lever shifter). The automatic gear box changes must be what is wrecking the tyres.
Looks like the EPC online website also lists all manufacturers notes and small recall notices. Have you guys taken the car to the dealership with the notes to get hoses and small stuff fixed as well? I am thinking about discussing this with the dealer next service.
Thanks
Phil
For reference, I have a 2011 C63 built in 06/10 per VIN tag.
Makes me feel better when I hit the engine later today.
By the way, I see much longer tire life if I constantly drive in manual mode (prefer to use the gear console lever shifter). The automatic gear box changes must be what is wrecking the tyres.
Looks like the EPC online website also lists all manufacturers notes and small recall notices. Have you guys taken the car to the dealership with the notes to get hoses and small stuff fixed as well? I am thinking about discussing this with the dealer next service.
Thanks
Phil
#779
Check vin?
I was about to buy a 11 with only 19k but now I'm worried. Could someone see if the engine is effected. WDDGF7HB5BF528098 THANKS SO MUCH!
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I was about to buy a 11 with only 19k but now I'm worried. Could someone see if the engine is effected. WDDGF7HB5BF528098 THANKS SO MUCH!
Already answered in Updated Head Bolt Affected VIN Range Data.
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Joe
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#785
i just bought a 2009 c63 and i need a VIN check please
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
#786
i just bought a 2009 c63 and i need a VIN check please
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
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i just bought a 2009 c63 and i need a VIN check please
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
WDDGF77X79F218915. Already got the low coolant on initial start up but goes away after a few minutes.
VIN check not necessary. All 2010 and older are affected.
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Joe
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2007 CLS63 AMG 030; 1970 Ford Mustang Coupe
Should I change the bolts?
Hello,
I have a 2007 CLS63, so I know I'm in the range. I've got about 66K miles. The car was shipped Oct. 2006, so less than 9K miles per year.
I've had a number of "check engine" issues over the past year, but the head bolt problem never came up- at least not with the dealer or private mechanic.
I had a fuel pump replaced- car smelled like gas, last year. I had a camshaft sensor replaced more than one year ago.
This year, I was told (check engine light) that my intake manifold gasket needed replacing, and there were three broken bolts- but I believe these were intake manifold bolts. I hit a pit of metal (fell off a truck?) on the freeway that came through my bottom grill- I don't know if this was related.
Most recently, I had the check engine issue. My car is currently at FJ Newport Beach. I'm told that I need a camshaft solenoid. My oil sub pump is leaking.
Anyway, are there any early signs of the head bolt issue? I've never had the coolant problem.
Do we know what the actual incidence is of head bolt failure, i.e., it's been X% of m156 engines thus far (give or take some variance)?
What I'm trying to determine is, should I hire a private mechanic to replace my head bolts preemptively, or should I just get rid of this car (it's cost me about $5K in repairs just this year)?
Otherwise, the car still drives well and has never stranded me, but the potential for this head bolt problem is bothering me since I'm sure it's very expensive.
I did post this is another thread, just trying to maximize the chance of a response. Thanks.
I have a 2007 CLS63, so I know I'm in the range. I've got about 66K miles. The car was shipped Oct. 2006, so less than 9K miles per year.
I've had a number of "check engine" issues over the past year, but the head bolt problem never came up- at least not with the dealer or private mechanic.
I had a fuel pump replaced- car smelled like gas, last year. I had a camshaft sensor replaced more than one year ago.
This year, I was told (check engine light) that my intake manifold gasket needed replacing, and there were three broken bolts- but I believe these were intake manifold bolts. I hit a pit of metal (fell off a truck?) on the freeway that came through my bottom grill- I don't know if this was related.
Most recently, I had the check engine issue. My car is currently at FJ Newport Beach. I'm told that I need a camshaft solenoid. My oil sub pump is leaking.
Anyway, are there any early signs of the head bolt issue? I've never had the coolant problem.
Do we know what the actual incidence is of head bolt failure, i.e., it's been X% of m156 engines thus far (give or take some variance)?
What I'm trying to determine is, should I hire a private mechanic to replace my head bolts preemptively, or should I just get rid of this car (it's cost me about $5K in repairs just this year)?
Otherwise, the car still drives well and has never stranded me, but the potential for this head bolt problem is bothering me since I'm sure it's very expensive.
I did post this is another thread, just trying to maximize the chance of a response. Thanks.
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I did a search through those threads and I didn't see anyone confirming that it's required.
It was asked here but I didn't see reply from bhamg
https://mbworld.org/forums/5104039-post4.html
There's 10 bolts per head. If there's noting wrong with the gasket I just can't see how you wouldn't be able to replace one bolt at a time.
Anyone want to be a guinea pig?
It was asked here but I didn't see reply from bhamg
https://mbworld.org/forums/5104039-post4.html
There's 10 bolts per head. If there's noting wrong with the gasket I just can't see how you wouldn't be able to replace one bolt at a time.
Anyone want to be a guinea pig?
Cams are in the way of the bolts
#790
Wow that was an old post lol.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post5312580
My question was about the ability to replace one bolt at a time. This has since been proven to work regardless of the naysayers...
Yes, the cams need to be removed to expose the bolts.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post5312580
My question was about the ability to replace one bolt at a time. This has since been proven to work regardless of the naysayers...
Yes, the cams need to be removed to expose the bolts.
#791
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09 E63 - 03 Sonic Blue Lightning - 09 F150 4x4 Beater
Subscribed, I will soon be the owner of a 09 E63 and am a bit worried about this issue as well. I'm curious of the actual percentage of cars in the effected range which actually develop an issue. Given the hype, it would seem there would have been a recall.
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#792
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2007 CLS63 AMG 030; 1970 Ford Mustang Coupe
Goodwill
I bought my 2007 CLS63 at Fletcher Jones in Newport. I just had my car there last week for my third check engine issue in one year. Each time, it's been a big expense, as I mentioned in my last post. I had three "broken bolts" replaced in March of this year, but I don't think they were head bolts. It was done at a different dealer and it was done at a time when I had the intake manifold gasket replaced. It was expensive, but not expensive like head bolt labor would be. I'll have to follow up with them to see exactly what they did.
Anyway, to sort of answer my own question, I brought up the head bolt TSB to the service advisor, and he said, if I ever did have a problem they would submit a goodwill request to MB to possibly cover it.
Anyway, to sort of answer my own question, I brought up the head bolt TSB to the service advisor, and he said, if I ever did have a problem they would submit a goodwill request to MB to possibly cover it.
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Or can you help out and inform how to get these mb tools
Thanks
Ricardo
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Failure in the UK on a 2008 with only 20k miles: http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/amg-l...2-%40-msl.html