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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejae
that's correct. dyno was done on a mustang dyno at autoscope in dallas tx. it was immediately after the header was installed. i believe at the time it was eurocharged v2 tune. october of 2010

then in july 2011, i did another dyno at the same shop before getting a v3+ eurochaged retune. before numbers were 437/403. changes were ROW airboxes and bmc filter instead of k&n

then the dyno after the v3+ retune came out to be 471/438. this is with no break in time but i'm not sure how much that would make a difference.

anyways, good luck with sale. i just wanted to share some info.
Nice gains btw. was your tune Custome or canned?
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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
I think that could be easy to do. What tune though? Soon as you change the tune it changes another variable.

Thats the whole point. we never had a real test between the two

supposedly if you had the same matching tunes with the two diffrent C63 headers, then we can all know which is the best set-up.

Personally, I strongly believ the try-yi from MBH is more powerful.

everybody is entitled to thier opinion
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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SLS Qatar
Thats the whole point. we never had a real test between the two

supposedly if you had the same matching tunes with the two diffrent C63 headers, then we can all know which is the best set-up.

Personally, I strongly believ the try-yi from MBH is more powerful.

everybody is entitled to thier opinion

I agree as long as its stated as opinion and not fact. Your opinion seemed to be quite conclusive based on elements that have no parity.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SLS Qatar
+1

thank you for noting that. that just shows how correct we are about MBH making more numbers on the dyno.


Did you see that Badbenz?

your own video of the white C63 you posted made 471RWHP
now it does with the v3 , which i would not think is considered a "moderate canned tune" . a moderate canned tune would be Kleeman or anything v1 or maybe v2 . anything v3 would be more aggresive than a moderate tune . your brother claimed he hadn't seen lower than 461 and i should him that there was lower with a moderate tune .

maybe someone can chime in and tell me i'm wrong
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
I agree as long as its stated as opinion and not fact. Your opinion seemed to be quite conclusive based on elements that have no parity.
Fair enough. But I don't like claims that MHP headers are better than MBH. All the track results from the 1/4 mile achieved by MHP customers were achieved by running more aggressive tunes designed for 1/4 mile drag. Explain to me how petroC63 got a best of 11.24s after a revised tune + a custom tune. Couldn't he have done the same while he was still running the MBH headers?

Personally I believe he would have made better track results.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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Fair enough. But I don't like claims that MHP headers are better than MBH. All the track results from the 1/4 mile achieved by MHP customers were achieved by running more aggressive tunes designed for 1/4 mile drag. Explain to me how petroC63 got a best of 11.24s after a revised tune + a custom tune. Couldn't he have done the same while he was still running the MBH headers?

Personally I believe he would have made better track results.
I am not sure on this. I believe he should chime in to be 100% accurate.

From my memory he ran MBH headers with a revised tune and his best time was 11.4

Then later he switched to the MHP headers at got the 11.2 on the same tune. I might be mistaken though.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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now it does with the v3 , which i would not think is considered a "moderate canned tune" . a moderate canned tune would be Kleeman or anything v1 or maybe v2 . anything v3 would be more aggresive than a moderate tune . your brother claimed he hadn't seen lower than 461 and i should him that there was lower with a moderate tune .

maybe someone can chime in and tell me i'm wrong
i'll save you the trouble and chim in. The 431whp was done on a mustang dyno as the owner stated, which is a very low reading dyno.

In the end with a dyno jet he made 471rwhp. Now let me ask you a question since you are running the MHP headers. Can you show us your dynosheets if you have ever conducted when your C63 was NA?
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
I am not sure on this. I believe he should chime in to be 100% accurate.

From my memory he ran MBH headers with a revised tune and his best time was 11.4

Then later he switched to the MHP headers at got the 11.2 on the same tune. I might be mistaken though.

I believe that is not correct. His 11.4 was with his previous MHP v3 (techtec) tune. He then switched headers and recieved the revised matched header tune and made 11.29. After the custom tune, he made 11.24 (best)

keep in mind the previous tune that he had with MHP was not a match for his MBH.


I like Petro'c C63 it is an absolute monster
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:14 PM
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i'll save you the trouble and chim in. The 431whp was done on a mustang dyno as the owner stated, which is a very low reading dyno.

In the end with a dyno jet he made 471rwhp. Now let me ask you a question since you are running the MHP headers. Can you show us your dynosheets if you have ever conducted when your C63 was NA?
Mustangs do read low... or more accurate.



So many variables though to consider. My tune only C63 made 447whp on a dynojet.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
Mustangs do read low... or more accurate.



So many variables though to consider. My tune only C63 made 447whp on a dynojet.

thats because you have Jeremey's tune (OE). which i believe is better than MHP and you proved it on the track.

Jeremy ran 11.1 @ MIR runing with a diffrent try-yi headers (gintani), runing @ full weight. (talk about same track & condition), oh and it wasnt a race tune :-)


When is the last time a C63 ran 11.1 with Header+tune runing full weight?

Jeremy has a customer in Qatar running with his mods. Trust me, no AMG messes with him


Imagine someone runing the MBH headers with an OE matched tune and runing @ MIR. Now that is something we all would like to see :-)

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thats because you have Jeremey's tune (OE). which i believe is better than MHP and you proved it on the track.

Jeremy ran 11.1 @ MIR runing with a diffrent try-yi headers (gintani), runing @ full weight. (talk about same track & condition), oh and it wasnt a race tune :-)


When is the last time a C63 ran 11.1 with Header+tune runing full weight?

Jeremy has a customer in Qatar running with his mods. Trust me, no AMG messes with him


Imagine someone runing the MBH headers with an OE matched tune and runing @ MIR. Now that is something we all would like to see :-)
I believe Hagi runs MHP headers with an OE tune at full weight. Except for the hood and trunk and he is almost running a 10.99. A good test would be to switch to MBH headers for him and see if he picks up anything.

The conditions must be consistent though. Same DA and track.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
I believe Hagi runs MHP headers with an OE tune at full weight. Except for the hood and trunk and he is almost running a 10.99. A good test would be to switch to MBH headers for him and see if he picks up anything.

The conditions must be consistent though. Same DA and track.
to switch and match the tune with the headers
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i'll save you the trouble and chim in. The 431whp was done on a mustang dyno as the owner stated, which is a very low reading dyno.

In the end with a dyno jet he made 471rwhp. Now let me ask you a question since you are running the MHP headers. Can you show us your dynosheets if you have ever conducted when your C63 was NA?
i can't remember if i posted them on here or not but i did explain the situation . i have only had 1 dyno run and it was for a commercial for a speed shop here in El Paso . it was a half *** run just for the commercial with 1 small little fan in 90 degree weather . it only did 458/423 and i never went back for another run . me personally , i couldn't care less what my dyno run showed cuz i knew it had plenty more in it .

i know there's a video of me running a 474whp m3 from 50mph and he pulled me by about a car or 2 . he also got the jump on me , which you can hear in the video .

here's the video of me and the m3

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to switch and match the tune with the headers
Does Jeremy have a matching tune for the MBH header?
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Originally Posted by BAD430BENZ
i can't remember if i posted them on here or not but i did explain the situation . i have only had 1 dyno run and it was for a commercial for a speed shop here in El Paso . it was a half *** run just for the commercial with 1 small little fan in 90 degree weather . it only did 458/423 and i never went back for another run . me personally , i couldn't care less what my dyno run showed cuz i knew it had plenty more in it .

i know there's a video of me running a 474whp m3 from 50mph and he pulled me by about a car or 2 . he also got the jump on me , which you can hear in the video .

here's the video of me and the m3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxM2iwDDcJs
I know that you have the MHP headers. Did you have the MHP tune as well?

an M3 beating you. I am actually shocked that this M3 has beaten you
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Originally Posted by propain
Does Jeremy have a matching tune for the MBH header?
why do you ask?

If he doesn't, I'm sure he can make it happen
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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why do you ask?

If he doesn't, I'm sure he can make it happen
Im sure he could. Im curious... but it seems like a lot of effort to prove a point though. Gotta be something in it for someone if one comes out over the other.

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Im sure he could. Im curious... but it seems like a lot of effort to prove a point though. Gotta be something in it for someone if one comes out over the other.

Well that's the thing, no one has done it yet
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I know that you have the MHP headers. Did you have the MHP tune as well?

an M3 beating you. I am actually shocked that this M3 has beaten you
this was with the old MHP (Techtec) tune and before the headers were on . this M3 did 474whp and i know cuz he is a good friend of mine that moved to Dallas . his car has the VF supercharger and other bolt-ons . i never got to run him with the headers cuz he moved .
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Originally Posted by BAD430BENZ
this was with the old MHP (Techtec) tune and before the headers were on . this M3 did 474whp and i know cuz he is a good friend of mine that moved to Dallas . his car has the VF supercharger and other bolt-ons . i never got to run him with the headers cuz he moved .
ok my bad, that explains it . Because that M3 seemed to have beaten your C63 pretty bad .
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ok my bad, that explains it . Because that M3 seemed to have beaten your C63 pretty bad .
yeah...he pulled on me by a couple of cars . i really wanted to race him after the headers were installed to see the difference but no luck
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Well that's the thing, no one has done it yet
Its all pretty close in the end. As long as you have an aggressive tuner and a header you will see results that are pretty close to one aother.

In the end and back to parity instead of points of parity which are very hard to come by you go with differentiation. Choose a company that you feel will work best for you and that is different than all the rest for whatever reasons you like.


One of the tests I would like to do is getting a tune only C63 with a race file on it and shave some weight and see how close I can get it to the full exhaust builds of others. I bet it would be pretty close.
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Its all pretty close in the end. As long as you have an aggressive tuner and a header you will see results that are pretty close to one aother.

In the end and back to parity instead of points of parity which are very hard to come by you go with differentiation. Choose a company that you feel will work best for you and that is different than all the rest for whatever reasons you like.


One of the tests I would like to do is getting a tune only C63 with a race file on it and shave some weight and see how close I can get it to the full exhaust builds of others. I bet it would be pretty close.
+1

I finally agree with what you said
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I hope this doesn't turn into another I hate MHP thread.
Turn into? Surely you jest. This started as another "I hate MHP" thread, and has been rolling since.

It is what it is.
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Turn into? Surely you jest. This started as another "I hate MHP" thread, and has been rolling since.

It is what it is.
actually the thread is about a user selling MHP LT headers + mids+ race exhaust. If you think it's about "I hate MHP" well then you are drawing your own conclusion
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