mvagusta

Just to explain,a little run race i had with 2 cars. I didn't want to race, i didnt think I would prove to them what a a.m.g can do, in terms of straight line performance. The two cars followed me and kept on speeding up. My son thought something was wrong with them. One pulled up to me and asked me to Try a 30mph roll race. This was a C6 corvette coupe hardtop, with minor mods he said, from 30 to 110 mph I creeped on him by 11/2 car lengths. Twice I got him, then his friend pulled up to me and asked if I beat him, isaid yes. He wanted to rce me too? This was the hardest race, he had a 2013 mustang gt-500 with 650 hp he said. We both spun From the line by 100 mph I was ahead by 1/2 car length and sticking there.. He wanted to try off a roll and the outcome was the same. I was shocked, do our cars do high 11,s in the quarter mile?? I think with slicks the pp c 63 coupe is underrated.. By the way the races were done on a safe straight way road with no traffic or residential area. Wow

Sincity

I would've thought the GT500 would have you. Good runs.

USCGTO

THe GT500 being a full manual leads to a real world difference.

Your C63 can put down power more effectively compared to the GT500. However, in the right hands and with the right size of *****, the Gt500 will eat the C63 at any speed all teh way to 200+mph top speed.

The GT500 driver probably couldn't shift fast enough / properly and was therefor just barely sticking by.

PS: I absolutely love the GT500.

VaclavSV

Im surprised since you had a passenger as well! Last year I beat a Boss 302 pretty bad but It isnt what the GT-500 is interms of horsepower!! Congrats on the kills!

gthal

I didn't even realize the 2013 GT500 was actually out yet?

Anyway, if that was the car, the only way a C63 would win that race is if the driver wasn't very good. 650hp with similar weight would be a no contest if the Mustang driver knew what he was doing.

Sher Judge

Good stuff, now go slap on a Weistec sc and show them all who is Charge.

BFNYM156

GT500 driver probably don't know how to drive the stang yet, I raced a stock Z06+Z07 package(carbon parts and cc beakes), the vette just walked away from 50 to 110 mph by 2 car length. one other I raced with a R8 V10 with DSG, I didn't lose, hang the distance really well

SonnyakaPig

Sounds like some fun.

The outcome against the C6 with some mods seems reasonable. From a 40 mph roll, I've pulled a little bit on a C6 that sounded like it had exhaust. I didn't reach 100 mph, though. I just let off when I started pulling because I knew there was no way the LS3 would match the top end of the M156. Although, I would think if the C6 had exhuast, tune, and intake, the C6 should win. So, not sure what the C6 you raced had in the way of light mods.

The GT500 race seems like the driver didn't shift well and/or he underestimated your driving and your car. As other have said, the GT500 will beat our stock cars pretty bad if driven right.

SonnyakaPig

Interesting article regarding the GT500's real world ability to reach 200 mph.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0/viewall.html

mvagusta

I was surprised by the outcome. I truly believe the performance package for the c 63 coupe is underrated. When the gt 500 lunched he spun and I spun too. The mustang didn't look like he had a hard time off the line, if anything i was going sideways. When we had traction we were even, every shift he did I moved up a couple of feet. Even later in the run , when we reached 70 to 100 no movement by him. By the way I had my son in the front(100pds) and my other son in the back(42 pounds) I weigh161). The mustang was a 2013, also after the two races, his clutchh was smoking and it smelled bad. I had a 08 m 3 e-92 manual. I can drive a stick, he did a good job shifting, I can see his front end lift. I don't think you can speed shift a gt 500. My m3 I would smack the clutch and shift, m3.s were notorious to have a problem with 2 nd gear, I"d get it 80 percent of the time. The thing that puzzles me is why no top end or a little movement by him?? The only car that moved inches on me was on the xpress way from 60 to 110 , a viper v10 ? I might go to lapeer here in Michigan to try a couple of runs at the track. We don't have a lot of info on the development package times of the coupes. To draw a good base line. I'm stoked

slfmde

Cool racing with two young kids in the car sounds safe and smart.... I mean good race and all but man leave your kids out of it - you never know what could happen.

mvagusta

Does your c 63 have the development package? Also I read the gt 500 does the quarter in 11.6/125. The c63 was run at 12.1 at 120. I wonder if the c 63 was run with the traction off? 11 second cars can run strange some days, I.ll see him again one day.

mvagusta

I know kids home, but these moments always happen when you least expect it. Thanks for your concern.

mvagusta

Hi
I remember you posting on m3 post, your discussions were always informative, the m3 was a hard manual to tame. With variables like experience, heat, weak links on machinical parts like manual trans and wieght distribution of the gt 500. If two cars with the same weight but better drag effiencty, better machinical components to delivery torque and hp. In the real world the c63 would be consistent and refined in terms of times. If we set up hypothetical test between the two cars, say the best of 10 races, on a 85 degree day, but with no cool downs. I bet the c 63 would win 6 of the 10 races?? In which like you said driver error would always be there for a gt 500.

gthal

Or you could have just declined the offer There are lots of times when my son (based on weight around the same age as your youngest) is in the car and I'm tempted but I always avoid it as my responsibility is to keep him safe even if I miss out on a bit of fun.

Anyway, enough of the lecture... I'm really just partially jealous as I don't have the nerve to race on public streets for fear of (1) going to jail, (2) killing myself, (3) killing someone else, (4) losing . I need to live vicariously through those who don't worry about those things as much as I do so I'm glad you shared your story

mvagusta

Don't be jealous, we all have our weaknesses, sometimes the way you hold your self or how you risk the people you have around you define who you are. Your a very good person with a very safe structural background with safety first in mind.. But I risk and I play, I pay for my mistakes and I only care to be judged by only one entity. So, if I chose to do anything I hope it would be a lesser evil then what you would in you life time. Thanks for lecture.

mvagusta

We all risk in different ways, some less, some all the time, but I'd rather risk on my watch.

-=Hot|Ice=-

I believe it's been proven that the P31 engine is underrated.

mvagusta

I hope we can get a informative list of 1/4 mile times on mbworld that owners were able to get on a ppc63 coupe. I can only imagine what the c 63 coupe pp with a v8 twin turbo will do? I just hope they get rid of the pan roof and go carbon roof.

Zeee_Q

This is really interesting because I would have thought that the new GT-500 should have no problems getting off the line with their new launch control system where you dump the clutch at a preset RPM and the computer takes over for the best acceleration. The other thing is that our naturally aspirated engines are not as susceptible to heat soak as are the forced induction engines. On a hot and moist day, heat soak will kill any supercharged or turbo charged car without adequate cooling because the computer will pull timing until the temperature goes down and the car and end up losing a LOT of power from that.

But anyway congrats and good job, it's always good to know what our cars are capable of in case any of us should encounter a similar situation in the future and need to decide in the moment whether to commit or not.

mvagusta

That sounds reasonable, it was in the low 80's. Also it did look like I had more wheel spin then him( in terms of traction). Thanks

NovA_S

I raced one of those heavy tuned 2002 Mazda RX7 this week. Happened on the highway so we started at around 100 up to 150. RX7 was full car behind.

dtothedtotheo

how would the 2012 5.5tt tuned engines fare vs the gt500?

mvagusta

i believe the tt will be remarkable. moding a tt is going to be easy. this might be the fastest of c 63's. The gt 500 is tapped out in hp. i don t think ford can squeeze more insane hp.

stangxs

GT500 isn't "tapped" out by any means, lol. A tune a pulley would boost the #'s way up. I saw a vid somewhere yest of a 900rwhp GT500, has a kenne bell in it

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