M156 V8 6.2L Vs Ferrari V8 4.5L
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I think you got it reversed.
The CROSS-PLANE engines are imperfectly balanced and need counterweights.
The SINGLE-PLANE engines are better balanced and do not need the extra weights and revs much more freely and has a very characteristic engine note.
The sacrifice in the single plane engines is probably durability...
The CROSS-PLANE engines are imperfectly balanced and need counterweights.
The SINGLE-PLANE engines are better balanced and do not need the extra weights and revs much more freely and has a very characteristic engine note.
The sacrifice in the single plane engines is probably durability...
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Yes, it's the sequence on how the cylinders are fired.
The flat plane (single plane) crank is better balanced, and lighter without the need for counterweights, and revs more freely.
These are found in all the Ferrari engines.
They're more raucous and probably not as durable.
I was at an auto event and asked one of the engineers why M, AMG, S don't use this type of engine.
He said those buyers still expect some degree of civility, and the flat plane cranks are probably not as durable.
The flat plane (single plane) crank is better balanced, and lighter without the need for counterweights, and revs more freely.
These are found in all the Ferrari engines.
They're more raucous and probably not as durable.
I was at an auto event and asked one of the engineers why M, AMG, S don't use this type of engine.
He said those buyers still expect some degree of civility, and the flat plane cranks are probably not as durable.
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Not really, that intoxicating sound comes from their "flat plane crankshaft".
The flat-plane or single-plane crankshaft has crank pins at 180°. They are imperfectly balanced and thus produce vibrations unless balance shafts are used, with a counter rotating pair flanking the crankshaft to counter second order vibration transverse to the crankshaft centerline. As it does not require counterweights, the crankshaft has less mass and thus inertia, allowing higher rpm and quicker acceleration. Flat-plane V8s on road cars come from Ferrari (every V8 model they ever made, from the 1973 308 GT4, to the new 458), Lotus (the Esprit V8), TVR (the Speed Eight) and McLaren (the MP4-12C). This design is popular in racing engines, the most famous example being the Cosworth DFV.[16]
The HP per liter is a function of it's direct fuel injection, compression ratio (12.5:1) & RPM...
The flat-plane or single-plane crankshaft has crank pins at 180°. They are imperfectly balanced and thus produce vibrations unless balance shafts are used, with a counter rotating pair flanking the crankshaft to counter second order vibration transverse to the crankshaft centerline. As it does not require counterweights, the crankshaft has less mass and thus inertia, allowing higher rpm and quicker acceleration. Flat-plane V8s on road cars come from Ferrari (every V8 model they ever made, from the 1973 308 GT4, to the new 458), Lotus (the Esprit V8), TVR (the Speed Eight) and McLaren (the MP4-12C). This design is popular in racing engines, the most famous example being the Cosworth DFV.[16]
The HP per liter is a function of it's direct fuel injection, compression ratio (12.5:1) & RPM...
Interesting - thanks for the info.
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Yes, it's the sequence on how the cylinders are fired.
The flat plane (single plane) crank is better balanced, and lighter without the need for counterweights, and revs more freely.
These are found in all the Ferrari engines.
They're more raucous and probably not as durable.
I was at an auto event and asked one of the engineers why M, AMG, S don't use this type of engine.
He said those buyers still expect some degree of civility, and the flat plane cranks are probably not as durable.
The flat plane (single plane) crank is better balanced, and lighter without the need for counterweights, and revs more freely.
These are found in all the Ferrari engines.
They're more raucous and probably not as durable.
I was at an auto event and asked one of the engineers why M, AMG, S don't use this type of engine.
He said those buyers still expect some degree of civility, and the flat plane cranks are probably not as durable.
who expects civility? not me.
i assume Lamborghini's have this too.?
too bad you have to pay 2-300,000 dollars to have this.
