Nobody..????

 

just came across this thread, not sure where to begin...

while many have "retro-fitted" the AMG CCB from various vehicles, onto, various vehicles...

yet apparently, there were actually 10 out of ~800 C63 Black Series in the world, that had B07 (CCB) as a factory option when spec'ing the car new...

and because of that, I was able to use the vin number on one to source/order the needed parts for an OEM upgrade...

anyways, I can confirm, with the correct OEM parts, stock C63 Black Series wheels would have a good amount of clearance to the CCB, on a, yea not sure if this helps... C63 Black Series.

 

Ok, the wheels are not the heavy part, I would need more informations about the wheel carriers for this upgrade. Can you provide any list of needed parts for the rear?

 

OEM rear wheels for the C63 Black Series have the size of 19x9.5 & an offset of +47, I’m running on stock OEM wheels, on my C63 Black Series.

 

Can you help with the parts numbers or anything like that, to be sure. Maybe I can find some used (but in good condition) parts for the rear axle. I need to change the rear axle, hub and all whats needed for this project.

- Left and right wheel carriers.
- Two rear flanges (part the wheel bolts to)

The wheels will be anyway custom made, this is not important for now.

 

to order the parts from MB, you'd need the vin number of a car that were spec'ed with such parts/option; what you need, is the vin number of a CLS that was equipped with CCB to begin with, and your local MB dealer/parts-department will be able to pull up the diagram & part-number on the CCB setup you'd need, specifically for your car.

while the core components of the CCB that i've fitted on my C63BS are similar if not completely the same (ie. calipers/rotors), other attached components i've used are different and were made specifically for the C63BS, so they may or may not work with a CLS.

another C63BS owner that i've spoken to in the past whom retro-fit his CCB off another AMG, said he had to run spacers to have wheel clearance; but when i've had mine installed, not only spacers were not needed, there are actually a lot of clearance in terms of space between the brakes and the stock wheel.

so again, best to use every single parts needed, that were designed & made for your CLS.

 

We are doing this on a S204 C63 with Black Series Bodykit, not on my CLS 500.

 

does this S204 have swapped in the front/rear transaxle & sub-frame from an OEM Black Series?

if not then you'd have a bigger issue - you have a narrow axle width on the non-BS car; but mine, a real Black Series, has a wider axle width, especially in the rear, where it shares much components with the 212.

the optional (code B07) CCB and the stock brakes for my car does NOT even have the same bracket for the brakes on your C63.

the misconception of all these replica builds, is they all think a widebody is all there is to make a Black Series different; but nope, the Black Series has a complete different driving dynamic, mainly due to the "wider track", result from a wider axle & complete different chassis/suspension components, beyond the KW-made coilovers.. the structural reinforcement comes from exponentially more welding points, that improved stiffness to reduce flex and increase rigidity to the chassis.

anyways, you'll have better luck to just retro-fit CCB made & from a W212 or W218, and modify the bracket to fit onto this replica build of your s204 wagon; these will be much easier and cost friendly to source.

good thing is that your wheels are going to be custom built, and you're not trying to install a set of the OEM C63 Black Series wheels - because they won't be wide enough for your narrow-track/narrow-axle non-BS C63, even if that aftermarket bodykit shapes 100% like OEM.

 

I will show you the car with a attached pic, so you will know, what we are talking about. My friend built the front with OEM Black Series parts, but the rear was completely custom fabricated.



He bought a CCB from a W218 CLS 63 S.
Because of that, we need to change the rear Axles, the wheel Hub and everything around there, to fit the CCB on the rear. On the front it will be a plug n play, as many told us.

Maybe it's a little bit more clear, what we are doing.

 

Honestly would have been better served leaving the rear brakes as iron. The fronts do like 95% of the actually braking. This would allow you to continue without the rear end change over.

 

Yes but this is not an option for my friend.

 

it doesn't matter about what he's done to the body of the car - if he's already bot the CCB from a W218 CLS63S, all he has to do is to modify the brackets/hub, or CNC a new bracket/hub, and those brakes will work on his non-BS C63, he doesn't need to make the change on the narrower axle if his goal is just to being able to get those CCBs installed.

is there not a machine shop that can do this where you guys are?

 

If someone could tell us exactly what we need to modify or work on, then we would definitely prefer this route. But even then, we need a different wheel hub so that the brake disk fits afterwards. The parking brake is also bigger. So it would be easier to fit a complete E-Class axle, knuckle and wheel carrier. Then it's really OEM.

 

I would start with the wheel hub and bearing replacement. From what I see in the parts catalog that might let you fit the rear rotors and drum directly. The entire wheel carrier is just slightly deeper on the W212 and C218. So what I would do is buy ONE entire used wheel assembly for 120€ from a W212 and test fit just the bearing and hub. You just remove the rear FOUR E12 TORX and it pops off. Test fit it. If the S204 can accept the drum, caliper, and carbon ceramic rotors with correct fitment then just order the bearing and hub. You might not even have to change the axles and save on a ton of labor.

C63 rear rotor is 5mm shorter than W212 and CLS63. So 10mm total is minimum added to axle width.

C63:

• A2043501341 Left carrier
• A2043501441 Right Carrier
• A2309810127 Bearing
• A2303570308 Hub

CLS63 / E63:

• A2043500741 Left carrier
• A2043500841 Right Carrier
• A2119810227 Bearing
• A2113570508 Hub

 

I saw 1 forum member replace the front rotors, then getting his car back on the road, leaving the rear rotor installation to a more convenient time. I don’t know if his model was a 4matic. If it was a 4matic ie 4 wheel drive, I do know that full time 4 wheel drives are very sensitive to equal speeds, forces, and weights being applied to all 4 wheels in all driving conditions. You can’t just change 1 tire. You have to change them all at the same time. I suppose you COULD change just 1 tire, but you would have to shave it to be the same weight as the other 3, as well as the same circumference.
I would assume the same would apply to the 4matic equipped cars, sos the question is: Is changing leases than all 4 rotors at the same time going to generate an issue?

 

Thank you very much for your help. I will discuss that with my friend.