simontrayler

Hi guys,

Hope your all well and looking forward to the weekend. New to the forum and just need some clarification on the vehicle I'm looking to buy. I've searched high and low and keep finding conflicting info. So, over to the experts to clarify

So, I'm looking at a 2010 UK supplied car built in June time.

Everything makes sense apart from this. It states on thr data card supplied by the dealership that the car has the P30 Performance Pack Plus. As I say it's a mid 2010 built car.
So what I want to know is... As its a P30 Performance Pack Plus car (confirmed on data card), does it gave the LSD as standard? I've read the P30 does include this.
Also, as it's the Performance Pack "Plus", does it have the 30BHP increase engine wise??
The car has red calipers, carbon rear spoiler, alcantra steering wheel etc.
It just seems I have a mish mash of things. It's states P30, theoretically it has the LSD (as was standard on that pack), and it's a plus so it has the 30BHP increase right?

Don't even get me started as to why a mid 2010 car still was produced with a P30, lol.

Any clarification before I part with my money would be brilliant!!

Thanks, Si

abcut973

As a P30 car i assume you should have LSD. Some members on this forum are able to check this by the look at your VIN. Or you can check physically by inspecting the underneath of your car and see those big FINs on the diff.
Other than that very good choice!! Enjoy

simontrayler

I'm pretty pleased in going this route I must say!! Was tempted, for 10 mins only, by an M3, but, as soon as I piloted the C63, I was sold!!

Yeah thinking P30 equals diff, track honed suspension etc. that's cool and I'm pleased, I really wanted the LSD for my style of driving, lol. That's settled, I'm happy and I'll check underneath also, thanks for the tip

So onto the fact it's a performance package plus (as I say I've checked the data sheet from the dealer so I'm guessing it's the same as the vin check???) does it have the increase in engine performance? Again I'm hoping as it is the "plus" it does??

Thanks for the reply chap

simontrayler

Just spotted on the data sheet, code 923 - Increased Power Version, so it seems it does in fact have the 30 BHP increase!!

Bonus!

So I get the LSD, Stiffened suspension, better composite brakes, carbon spoiler and likely the SLS internals. I may stand corrected, but it seems I have a hybrid P30/P31 package.

Anyone else had this??

abcut973

Dunno if it's hybrid but it's a pretty nice package. What do you mean by sls internal?

simontrayler

Yeah I'm pretty chuffed. All the go with none of the worried if I flash the ECU and something pops, lol. Does seem a great spec on this one. Got the Drivers Pack on it too plus the carbon fibre interior trim. Only thing it seems not to have is the blinds, extinguisher and heated washer system

I may have spoken to quickly on the SLS internals... Lol. I thought that the performance plus pack also had the SLS forged pistons, titanium rods, lightened crank etc... This maybe from 2011 onwards only though. Not a 100% if I'm honest if it was from 2011 onwards or not. Prob is due to the SLS's release date. Still trying to take all the info in

Pickles

It appears that you may be in a grey area with the P.P., because the earlier versions of the P.P. did get the LSD, which later versions didn't, but they didn't get the extra 22KW, with the SLS rods, pistons, crank etc.
Does the car have the darker grey inlet plenum?
Whatever, the easiest way to check is via Mercedes Benz, or alternatively speak to the previous owner.....but M.B. would be able to tell you FOR SURE.
Cheers, Pickles.

simontrayler

Yeah it does seem that I've fallen into this dreaded grey area that exists on the switch over from P30 to P31. Joy, lol.

Yeah I've spoken with Merc and they confirm that as my spec/data sheet quotes a P30 pack as what was done it does indeed have the diff on it.
According them also, as it states its a performance pack plus, coupled with the 923 code on the data sheet, increased power version, it actually does have the increased horsepower as well. So it looks like I'm onto a winner there.

Was just hoping some of you guys may have had the same thing.

Could it be possible that I had one of the last P30 packs that Merc were clearing just after the switch over and that they were also able to spec the performance upgrade that the P31 offered all onto the same car??
My performance pack plus was on the data sheet at £4,357 or very close, which is more than the P30 cost which to me would suggest that I got more than just the standard P30 offering. As I say, seems I got the all the P30 along with the performance upgrade the P31 offered.

Ahhh, why did I have to fall into the grey area.

The car was advertised by the seller also as having the LSD and 30 horsepower increase. He bought it directly from Mercedes dealership as an ex demo also. Got to be that??

Pickles

Does it have the dark grey inlet plenum?
Cheers, Pickles.

simontrayler

I haven't seen under the bonnet yet, but I'll certainly be checking that as soon as I get there.

I'm just struggling to get my head round why is advertised as a plus with the extra bhp, why it's got 923 increased power version on the Merc data sheet if it hasn't got it.

I'll check and keep you informed

simontrayler

Guys, is this the high power engine?? Thought a pic might help hope it works, first time posting one on here

http://s1321.photobucket.com/albums/...ps531cf244.jpg

Pickles

If the dark grey plenum can be used as a guide, then IMHO, it looks like it.
Cheers, Pickles.

simontrayler

Cheers Pickles, much appreciated!

Anybody else want to confirm for me so I can be triply sure and stop worrying before parting with my doe, lol.

So it seems it is a good spec... LSD, uprated increased power version, stiffer suspension, brakes, carbon, all the bells and whistles.
This performance pack plus on 2010 car seems to be just as I presumed then. P30 & P31 combined Bonus

C-63AMG

Is it a possibility that a 2008 car has LSD?

simontrayler

As I understand it, yes, but only if the car was spec'd with the P30 Performance Pack.
I don't think you could spec it as a stand alone item (MB code on spec sheet 471) until the P31 pack was introduced circa early 2010 when it was removed from the standard pack option and made an individual item.

I may stand corrected, but that's what I've read.

Si

C-63AMG

Thanks Simontrayler,

So if I read the owner's purchase sheet with all added extras he got, I would be able to find out exactly what optional extras the previous owner got?

Thanks

simontrayler

Exactly that chap. Have a read and the optional paid for extras should appear at the top (normally in bold lettering) with the corresponding prices next to it.

To have the LSD you'll be looking for the code P30 next to the Performance Package on a 2008 car.

If your unsure, pop into a dealership and give them the reg, they'll print it directly off their system and be able to tell you. If you have or can find a local helpful dealership who's knows the ar*e from their elbow. Always astounds me the lack of knowledge the guys selling these vehicles have!

If it hasn't, you could get one retro fitted at MB or have a Quaife one fitted by a trusted specialist.

khmergod

Simon. Grats on the car. You sir, have extra ponies. Plus the P30 which includes lsd.

simontrayler

Thanks khmergod Appreciate the good wishes and further confirmation! Roll on Saturday when I can collect it

icefireau

I had a similar issue with my c63 with pp.

Its a mid 2011 car, showing

923 OUTPUT INCREASE OF ENGINES
P30 AMG PERFORMANCE PACKAGE

Now from what i understand, this means that i have as part of the p30 package

The P30 AMG Performance Package includes:
- AMG Limited Slip Differential
- AMG Compound Braking System
- AMG Track-Calibrated Suspension - stiffer springs
- AMG Leather/Alcantara Performance Steering Wheel
- Top Speed: 174 mph

And the 923 Codes means I have some of the forged internals from the SLS engine giving me approx 15kw/ 30hp increase.

Which means that essentially, some cars built during this time had a option or during this transition, to have the best of both worlds?

miatang

Hi,

Just saw this thread as I'm in similar position as the OP. Found a Mid 2010 C63 with the P30 PPP with the extra bhp.

I wanted to ask if your car you did indeed have the LSD.

The dealer isnt too confident if this car does have it even though it has the P30 PPP

Many thanks

Mike

Mort

Let Valvestud run your VIN and post the Data Card. That way you will know exactly what options the car has.

Post the VIN in this thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...decode-14.html

miatang

Did some research last night and ran the vin on various websites. It seems just because you have the P30 PPP code on your options it doesnt mean you have the lsd by default. The P30 code was left unchanged during the cross over, even some 2012 cars have the p30 code but had to pay for the lsd seperately. So be aware guys, look out for the 471 code to confirm the LSD