Kleenman supercharger kits
03-13-2013, 03:01 PM
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I'm sure Weistec is fine and all, but Kleemann has been supercharging MB engines nearly two decades before Weistec was even a twinkle in someones eye. They made a good product from what I hear, but they don't have the history or experience working with MB engines like Kleemann does.
03-13-2013, 03:21 PM
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I'm sure Weistec is fine and all, but Kleemann has been supercharging MB engines nearly two decades before Weistec was even a twinkle in someones eye. They made a good product from what I hear, but they don't have the history or experience working with MB engines like Kleemann does.
03-13-2013, 03:30 PM
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i think the point behind this whole thing is that even though Kleeman has been supercharging for 1000s of years , they haven't done anything with the M156 until now . until there is documented proof that they are superior to Weistec , the "twinkle in someone's eye" will remain better in this case
03-13-2013, 03:34 PM
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Kleemann's mission though has never been to push the envelope to the very edge. If you read their mission statment it's always been to increase performance while staying within safe limits to maintain reliability and longevity. Weistec in their brief go at supercharging the M156/159 has already had several reported engine failures. I don't think those owners eyes were twinkling.
03-13-2013, 03:34 PM
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LOL , you probably also have the biggest ego on the planet
I can agree with you on the facts. But you also have to consider one thing :
What if your engine blows because of the supercharger ? Does Weistec give you any warranty ? Do they have the funds to refund you in case its their fault ?
I would rather trust a well known big company like Kleeman , than a "small" ( how many guys there ? ) company like Weistec ( I'm not talking about pure performance here ! )
Also they have many sellers in many countries. So direct customer service would be much easier with Kleemann. At least in EU for exemple.
If I install Weistec in my car , the thing blows , what can I do ? Go to US , ship the car to US , make a claim in us ? Wow...
Yes the numbers are for Weistec. But the peace of mind goes to Kleemann. Remember that they were producing S/C ( on other plateforms ) before you even bought your CLK lol. If they come up with something , you know that its going to be a long-life product.
Weistec is too new to give any warranties on long terms. No matter the HP they give ( yes your CBS is incredibly fast )
To be honest , I've sent many enquiries to Weistec. Never got any reply. I sent 1 request to Kleemann. Got an answer same day.
At the end of the day , we will have to wait for a direct fight between the two , considering every aspects ( HP , warranty , life span , quality etc... )
I can agree with you on the facts. But you also have to consider one thing :
What if your engine blows because of the supercharger ? Does Weistec give you any warranty ? Do they have the funds to refund you in case its their fault ?
I would rather trust a well known big company like Kleeman , than a "small" ( how many guys there ? ) company like Weistec ( I'm not talking about pure performance here ! )
Also they have many sellers in many countries. So direct customer service would be much easier with Kleemann. At least in EU for exemple.
If I install Weistec in my car , the thing blows , what can I do ? Go to US , ship the car to US , make a claim in us ? Wow...
Yes the numbers are for Weistec. But the peace of mind goes to Kleemann. Remember that they were producing S/C ( on other plateforms ) before you even bought your CLK lol. If they come up with something , you know that its going to be a long-life product.
Weistec is too new to give any warranties on long terms. No matter the HP they give ( yes your CBS is incredibly fast )
To be honest , I've sent many enquiries to Weistec. Never got any reply. I sent 1 request to Kleemann. Got an answer same day.
At the end of the day , we will have to wait for a direct fight between the two , considering every aspects ( HP , warranty , life span , quality etc... )
Here is Weistec's warranty
http://www.weistec.com/forms/weistecwarranty.pdf
03-13-2013, 03:43 PM
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I'm sure Weistec is fine and all, but Kleemann has been supercharging MB engines nearly two decades before Weistec was even a twinkle in someones eye. They made a good product from what I hear, but they don't have the history or experience working with MB engines like Kleemann does.
03-13-2013, 03:47 PM
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03-13-2013, 03:55 PM
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Kleemann's mission though has never been to push the envelope to the very edge. If you read their mission statment it's always been to increase performance while staying within safe limits to maintain reliability and longevity. Weistec in their brief go at supercharging the M156/159 has already had several reported engine failures. I don't think those owners eyes were twinkling.
Thx
03-13-2013, 04:02 PM
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on JumpinJim's claims.
03-13-2013, 04:04 PM
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so your telling me that Kleeman will offer warranty on your motor if it blows up with their supercharger installed 
i find that extremely hard to believe .
so let's say that after this "fight" , Weistec is the one making the superior product . are you still going to purchase the Kleeman kit because they are close to you ?
i find that extremely hard to believe .so let's say that after this "fight" , Weistec is the one making the superior product . are you still going to purchase the Kleeman kit because they are close to you ?
They will warranty any parts of their kit. But I'm sure Weistec will do to.
What I'm trying to say is that Kleemann's goal have always been a "safe performance". They will not go all over the board with ultra big HP. When you buy Kleemann , you can rest assured when using your car.
I don't know about about Weistec. That's all I'm trying to say.
Getting so much HP of this engine looks too much to me without changing any other vital components. With their big name , Kleemann can't take the risk to just throw more and more HP without years/miles of testing. Did Weistec the same ?
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03-13-2013, 04:04 PM
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Come on baller, pick up yur phone and call a filter company and have them custom made, pretty simple solution actually....I could point you in the right direction but you seem to have all the answers so I will let you figure it out on your own.
03-13-2013, 04:06 PM
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He is full of crap, there are probably 150 Weistec blowers on the streets, in this day and age of internet forums and social media we would have all heard about it if there were problems with the Weistec systems. I beat the friggin snot out of my cars and I am pushing the limits of power and boost, if anyone was going to pop a motor it would be me or Earl and it has not happened yet so I am going to call on JumpinJim's claims.
on JumpinJim's claims.
03-13-2013, 04:08 PM
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He is full of crap, there are probably 150 Weistec blowers on the streets, in this day and age of internet forums and social media we would have all heard about it if there were problems with the Weistec systems. I beat the friggin snot out of my cars and I am pushing the limits of power and boost, if anyone was going to pop a motor it would be me or Earl and it has not happened yet so I am going to call on JumpinJim's claims.
on JumpinJim's claims.Beating a car once a week can be ok. Beating it once a week and drive it all day at the same time ?
In 1 week I can probably stress the motor more than you do in a 2h event , so to speak.
But then again , everyone will agree that their performances are just amazing. When playing with my cars , I prefer to stay on the safe side even if less power ( thats why I went the N/A route instead of S/C )
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
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Here you go. There's references to several incidents once everyone started venting. Forum search is your friend.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-straight.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-straight.html
03-13-2013, 04:14 PM
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No sorry , wrong terms used.
They will warranty any parts of their kit. But I'm sure Weistec will do to.
What I'm trying to say is that Kleemann's goal have always been a "safe performance". They will not go all over the board with ultra big HP. When you buy Kleemann , you can rest assured when using your car.
I don't about about Weistec. That's all I'm trying to say.
Getting so much HP of this engine looks too much to me without changing any other vital components. With their big name , Kleemann can't take the risk to just throw more and more HP without years/miles of testing. Did Weistec the same ?
They will warranty any parts of their kit. But I'm sure Weistec will do to.
What I'm trying to say is that Kleemann's goal have always been a "safe performance". They will not go all over the board with ultra big HP. When you buy Kleemann , you can rest assured when using your car.
I don't about about Weistec. That's all I'm trying to say.
Getting so much HP of this engine looks too much to me without changing any other vital components. With their big name , Kleemann can't take the risk to just throw more and more HP without years/miles of testing. Did Weistec the same ?
03-13-2013, 04:15 PM
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He is full of crap, there are probably 150 Weistec blowers on the streets, in this day and age of internet forums and social media we would have all heard about it if there were problems with the Weistec systems. I beat the friggin snot out of my cars and I am pushing the limits of power and boost, if anyone was going to pop a motor it would be me or Earl and it has not happened yet so I am going to call on JumpinJim's claims.
on JumpinJim's claims.
03-13-2013, 04:18 PM
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03-13-2013, 04:24 PM
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I read this as Weistec has been around longer than Kleeman and that can't be further from the truth. If you're referring to *just* the 6.2 AMGs Kleeman developed a bi-turbo 6.2 back in 2007. We could argue semantics that theirs is a supercharger whereas Kleemans is turbo but what fun is that, they're both forced induction setups.
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
03-13-2013, 04:28 PM
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Read the thread, there's other incidents even involving C63s. This shouldn't be news around here. Every tuner at some point is going to blow engines. It's the nature of the beast. If they say they never have they're lying or haven't been doing it long. Support after it happens is where a tuner is made or broken.
03-13-2013, 04:31 PM
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I read this as Weistec has been around longer than Kleeman and that can't be further from the truth. If you're referring to *just* the 6.2 AMGs Kleeman developed a bi-turbo 6.2 back in 2007. We could argue semantics that theirs is a supercharger whereas Kleemans is turbo but what fun is that, they're both forced induction setups.
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
03-13-2013, 04:32 PM
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I read this as Weistec has been around longer than Kleeman and that can't be further from the truth. If you're referring to *just* the 6.2 AMGs Kleeman developed a bi-turbo 6.2 back in 2007. We could argue semantics that theirs is a supercharger whereas Kleemans is turbo but what fun is that, they're both forced induction setups.
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
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03-13-2013, 04:33 PM
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Read the thread, there's other incidents even involving C63s. This shouldn't be news around here. Every tuner at some point is going to blow engines. It's the nature of the beast. If they say they never have they're lying or haven't been doing it long. Support after it happens is where a tuner is made or broken.
03-13-2013, 04:37 PM
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I read this as Weistec has been around longer than Kleeman and that can't be further from the truth. If you're referring to *just* the 6.2 AMGs Kleeman developed a bi-turbo 6.2 back in 2007. We could argue semantics that theirs is a supercharger whereas Kleemans is turbo but what fun is that, they're both forced induction setups.
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
http://www.mercedestuningmag.com/kle...l63k-bi-turbo/
They only sold a handful of these lol , too much troubles.
