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04-19-2013, 10:16 AM
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Just wanted to share how our ECU was left from Andy's tuning with no reseal other than the left over sealant would somehow keep dust & moisture out.
Just keep this in mind and it might be worth an inspection if you have sent him your ECU.
It is very clear that he used a large flat screwdriver to pry open the sealant instead of using a local heat from a light torch to "help" release the sealant as it is prescribed by Mercedes' approved methods of separating the case if needed.
I remember a post earlier on this thread where FedEx had used a screwdriver to damage a circuit board, then resealed the package before continuing to ship it to the customer. Hmmmmm....
Just keep this in mind and it might be worth an inspection if you have sent him your ECU.
It is very clear that he used a large flat screwdriver to pry open the sealant instead of using a local heat from a light torch to "help" release the sealant as it is prescribed by Mercedes' approved methods of separating the case if needed.
I remember a post earlier on this thread where FedEx had used a screwdriver to damage a circuit board, then resealed the package before continuing to ship it to the customer. Hmmmmm....
04-19-2013, 10:46 AM
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Just wanted to share how our ECU was left from Andy's tuning with no reseal other than the left over sealant would somehow keep dust & moisture out.
Just keep this in mind and it might be worth an inspection if you have sent him your ECU.
I remember a post earlier on this thread where FedEx had used a screwdriver to damage a circuit board, then resealed the package before continuing to ship it to the customer. Hmmmmm....
Just keep this in mind and it might be worth an inspection if you have sent him your ECU.
I remember a post earlier on this thread where FedEx had used a screwdriver to damage a circuit board, then resealed the package before continuing to ship it to the customer. Hmmmmm....
Didn't you mention that MHP told you one of your earlier ECU's that you sent was damaged or no good? Makes you wonder what happened to that one..... The number of stories with MHP are mind boggling.. I have been on many car forums over the last 15 years and every now and then would hear of an isolated incident or two with a vendor. But NEVER anything close to the scale that has been posted on the problems with MHP. Boy, if that doesnt scream stay away......
I wish you well OP, and hope you get your car running well. You might want to put a condom on those cams before you put them in your motor.. No telling where they have been....
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04-19-2013, 11:43 AM
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LOL @ the infamous Fedex screwdriver. My friend with the MHP tuned ECU looks like it got raped.. Maybe the Fedex guy should have used some lube or condom on his screwdriver. LOL
04-19-2013, 12:08 PM
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Well my speculation is that one would gain quite a bit since the Stock tune loaded in the new ECU you'd have to buy is better than the one coming from MHP.
At least that is our experience so far.
A little research has revealed another thread where TopSpeed fixed another MHP tune and the ECU was damaged.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-new-tune.html
At least that is our experience so far.
A little research has revealed another thread where TopSpeed fixed another MHP tune and the ECU was damaged.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-new-tune.html
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04-19-2013, 04:23 PM
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MHP did my tune..Well possibly it was strange. Was suppose to be getting tuned by them but was late receiving back my ECU so I called ups and they said it was on its way to Indiana from CALIFORNIA...I called Andy right away..Someone said he was in another country that some special machine broke and he had Wesitec put his tune on my ecu so I didn't have to wait and that's why it was in cali. I was mad but I was compensated with a nice discount..Not sure if its really MHP TUNE or WEISTEC but it was a night and day difference and I love it.
04-19-2013, 04:26 PM
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Well my speculation is that one would gain quite a bit since the Stock tune loaded in the new ECU you'd have to buy is better than the one coming from MHP.
At least that is our experience so far.
A little research has revealed another thread where TopSpeed fixed another MHP tune and the ECU was damaged.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-new-tune.html
At least that is our experience so far.
A little research has revealed another thread where TopSpeed fixed another MHP tune and the ECU was damaged.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-new-tune.html
you know that thread is from 6 months ago but 0-60 brought it back to life from the dead right 
04-19-2013, 07:59 PM
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MHP did my tune..Well possibly it was strange. Was suppose to be getting tuned by them but was late receiving back my ECU so I called ups and they said it was on its way to Indiana from CALIFORNIA...I called Andy right away..Someone said he was in another country that some special machine broke and he had Wesitec put his tune on my ecu so I didn't have to wait and that's why it was in cali. I was mad but I was compensated with a nice discount..Not sure if its really MHP TUNE or WEISTEC but it was a night and day difference and I love it.
04-19-2013, 08:02 PM
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MHP did my tune..Well possibly it was strange. Was suppose to be getting tuned by them but was late receiving back my ECU so I called ups and they said it was on its way to Indiana from CALIFORNIA...I called Andy right away..Someone said he was in another country that some special machine broke and he had Wesitec put his tune on my ecu so I didn't have to wait and that's why it was in cali. I was mad but I was compensated with a nice discount..Not sure if its really MHP TUNE or WEISTEC but it was a night and day difference and I love it.
04-19-2013, 08:04 PM
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Oh really? Well I'm
Very satisfied with it. Thankful weistec did the tuning for them now that I have read all the horror stories. Trying to find out what the best tune for the C63 is? Thoughts?
Very satisfied with it. Thankful weistec did the tuning for them now that I have read all the horror stories. Trying to find out what the best tune for the C63 is? Thoughts?
04-19-2013, 08:10 PM
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Well I am biased, however Weistec has tuned the fastes NA, Nitrous, and Supercharged AMG 63 M156 motors in the world. That should be all most people need to know who has the best tune.
04-19-2013, 08:39 PM
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my wife bananas! :D
up here, we have EC local and they flash it. Can get it done in minutes and the ecu doesnt get touched. I'm thinking of getting a tune myself and performance from the tune is one of many factors that ppl look at when deciding on a 'best' tune....
04-20-2013, 09:10 AM
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I wanted to drop a little tease update that after two days and 23 pulls on the dyno, our car is PERFECT! The drivability is flawless and idle/part throttle to cruise couldn't be better... We are even getting decent fuel mileage at normal freeway speeds!
The original tune was horribly lean with huge drops and surges in fueling depending upon the load values given. The dangerous part of such was that it would never get richer than 13.2:1 at WOT and this was a program designed for nitrous use? The original program also had too much timing which was why we were getting elevated engine temps during sustained high rpm use.
Our focus for this new tune was 93 octane only and to make as much power as possible over a wide rpm range... We achieved that first goal with perfection! The second goal was to achieve a tune that would not remove performance by the ecu pulling timing out during sustained high rpm use and to keep the same power levels in each gear, not just during a 5th gear dyno pull... And we achieved that goal. The results are a very smooth power delivery with no spikes in the power application to the tires in any gear, drivability and reliability. The torque curve is putting down in excess of 426 lb/ft of torque from 3500 rpm to redline without falling off. I will post the graphs after One Lap begins so as to not share all our cards to our competitors who are focused on our efforts.
Were the cams worth it...? They do help make more power on the top end and to produce a flatter curve but for the money, no. If we had a baseline on the same dyno before they were installed and with proper tuning, we could show a much better analysis of their value... Good or bad. Since we do not have such info, I'm inclined to say I would have spent the money on a supercharger for sure.
The original tune was horribly lean with huge drops and surges in fueling depending upon the load values given. The dangerous part of such was that it would never get richer than 13.2:1 at WOT and this was a program designed for nitrous use? The original program also had too much timing which was why we were getting elevated engine temps during sustained high rpm use.
Our focus for this new tune was 93 octane only and to make as much power as possible over a wide rpm range... We achieved that first goal with perfection! The second goal was to achieve a tune that would not remove performance by the ecu pulling timing out during sustained high rpm use and to keep the same power levels in each gear, not just during a 5th gear dyno pull... And we achieved that goal. The results are a very smooth power delivery with no spikes in the power application to the tires in any gear, drivability and reliability. The torque curve is putting down in excess of 426 lb/ft of torque from 3500 rpm to redline without falling off. I will post the graphs after One Lap begins so as to not share all our cards to our competitors who are focused on our efforts.
Were the cams worth it...? They do help make more power on the top end and to produce a flatter curve but for the money, no. If we had a baseline on the same dyno before they were installed and with proper tuning, we could show a much better analysis of their value... Good or bad. Since we do not have such info, I'm inclined to say I would have spent the money on a supercharger for sure.
04-20-2013, 12:53 PM
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I wanted to drop a little tease update that after two days and 23 pulls on the dyno, our car is PERFECT! The drivability is flawless and idle/part throttle to cruise couldn't be better... We are even getting decent fuel mileage at normal freeway speeds!
The original tune was horribly lean with huge drops and surges in fueling depending upon the load values given. The dangerous part of such was that it would never get richer than 13.2:1 at WOT and this was a program designed for nitrous use? The original program also had too much timing which was why we were getting elevated engine temps during sustained high rpm use.
Our focus for this new tune was 93 octane only and to make as much power as possible over a wide rpm range... We achieved that first goal with perfection! The second goal was to achieve a tune that would not remove performance by the ecu pulling timing out during sustained high rpm use and to keep the same power levels in each gear, not just during a 5th gear dyno pull... And we achieved that goal. The results are a very smooth power delivery with no spikes in the power application to the tires in any gear, drivability and reliability. The torque curve is putting down in excess of 426 lb/ft of torque from 3500 rpm to redline without falling off. I will post the graphs after One Lap begins so as to not share all our cards to our competitors who are focused on our efforts.
Were the cams worth it...? They do help make more power on the top end and to produce a flatter curve but for the money, no. If we had a baseline on the same dyno before they were installed and with proper tuning, we could show a much better analysis of their value... Good or bad. Since we do not have such info, I'm inclined to say I would have spent the money on a supercharger for sure.
The original tune was horribly lean with huge drops and surges in fueling depending upon the load values given. The dangerous part of such was that it would never get richer than 13.2:1 at WOT and this was a program designed for nitrous use? The original program also had too much timing which was why we were getting elevated engine temps during sustained high rpm use.
Our focus for this new tune was 93 octane only and to make as much power as possible over a wide rpm range... We achieved that first goal with perfection! The second goal was to achieve a tune that would not remove performance by the ecu pulling timing out during sustained high rpm use and to keep the same power levels in each gear, not just during a 5th gear dyno pull... And we achieved that goal. The results are a very smooth power delivery with no spikes in the power application to the tires in any gear, drivability and reliability. The torque curve is putting down in excess of 426 lb/ft of torque from 3500 rpm to redline without falling off. I will post the graphs after One Lap begins so as to not share all our cards to our competitors who are focused on our efforts.
Were the cams worth it...? They do help make more power on the top end and to produce a flatter curve but for the money, no. If we had a baseline on the same dyno before they were installed and with proper tuning, we could show a much better analysis of their value... Good or bad. Since we do not have such info, I'm inclined to say I would have spent the money on a supercharger for sure.
04-21-2013, 08:52 AM
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That is some crazy stuff. Considering all the drama surrounded by MHP and their previous tuner I am very surprised Weistec would associate themselves with MHP. Even letting MHP resell their SC kits.
I am also surprised that Dodger and Keith were able to keep it so quiet all this time.
So Andy's V4 tune was a Weistec tune? That is just priceless if its true.
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04-21-2013, 09:01 AM
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That is some crazy stuff. Considering all the drama surrounded by MHP and their previous tuner I am very surprised Weistec would associate themselves with MHP. Even letting MHP resell their SC kits.
I am also surprised that Dodger and Keith were able to keep it so quiet all this time.
So Andy's V4 tune was a Weistec tune? That is just priceless if its true.
I am also surprised that Dodger and Keith were able to keep it so quiet all this time.
So Andy's V4 tune was a Weistec tune? That is just priceless if its true.
04-21-2013, 09:08 AM
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I have to say I 100% agree. This will most likely be the end for MHP.
Does Weistec have any resellers or representation on the East Coast?
04-21-2013, 09:20 AM
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Wow... any idea of when they started using them? I believe the records posted here were from around Feb and April of 2011. I believe Dodger got a better time after that at a rental I was at in 2012.
I have to say I 100% agree. This will most likely be the end for MHP.
Does Weistec have any resellers or representation on the East Coast?
I have to say I 100% agree. This will most likely be the end for MHP.
Does Weistec have any resellers or representation on the East Coast?
04-21-2013, 09:32 AM
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I think it was about a year ago but I do not know an exact date. I know for sure Keiths record was done on a Weistec tune. I can not say for sure about Dodger and Dodger can not disclose who tuned his car becuase his is bound by an NDA. I am pretty sure I recall Dodger talking in a thread about his new tune last spring, it would not take much work to back track a timeline and say for certain which tune he ran, but I would guess it was on a Weistec tune as well.
Are they deleting these threads on PL? I can't find anything from MHP on that site other than a SLS new world record thread from MHP yesterday.
I have to say all this BS and drama in the MB world needs to stop. High end cars with ghetto service. Hopefully Weistec will continue this transparency and not deal with shady companies with bad reputations. Weistec doesn't need that BS. They have made a big name for themselves and in a very short amount of time based on their experience,professionalism and big accomplishments. Hopefully the days of drama are over now for the MB mod world and Weistec and other honest companies continue to provide honest service.
Hopefully Weistec gets something on the EC so I can try them out and drink some of that punch you guys on the WC have been drinking.
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04-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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^^ well said again propain! Weistec is a great reputable company, and hope none of this will tarnish their reputation .. And most importantly, they will be more careful as who their distributors are.
04-21-2013, 10:52 AM
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Yeah, the "New Tune" tested is most likely the Weistec one. I believe the one his car got shipped to get done. I recall he got a better time but lost some trap. Either way, most likely it.
Are they deleting these threads on PL? I can't find anything from MHP on that site other than a SLS new world record thread from MHP yesterday.
I have to say all this BS and drama in the MB world needs to stop. High end cars with ghetto service. Hopefully Weistec will continue this transparency and not deal with shady companies with bad reputations. Weistec doesn't need that BS. They have made a big name for themselves and in a very short amount of time based on their experience,professionalism and big accomplishments. Hopefully the days of drama are over now for the MB mod world and Weistec and other honest companies continue to provide honest service.
Hopefully Weistec gets something on the EC so I can try them out and drink some of that punch you guys on the WC have been drinking.
Are they deleting these threads on PL? I can't find anything from MHP on that site other than a SLS new world record thread from MHP yesterday.
I have to say all this BS and drama in the MB world needs to stop. High end cars with ghetto service. Hopefully Weistec will continue this transparency and not deal with shady companies with bad reputations. Weistec doesn't need that BS. They have made a big name for themselves and in a very short amount of time based on their experience,professionalism and big accomplishments. Hopefully the days of drama are over now for the MB mod world and Weistec and other honest companies continue to provide honest service.
Hopefully Weistec gets something on the EC so I can try them out and drink some of that punch you guys on the WC have been drinking.
04-21-2013, 11:13 AM
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East Coast, how about Ahmad? Ahmad just purchased a 3.0L Weistec for his 55, we all know Ahmad doesn't mess around, He will be runing 9's in no time. Looks like it is going to come down to Ahmad, Earl and I for worlds quickest MB. I am heading back to the 1/4 mile two weeks from today to test out my newest package, hoping for some 9's.
Nice, I didn't know he was moving forward with it. He doesn't mess around and has good access to MIR rentals. Should be an interesting fall season.
Good luck getting into the 9's. You guys are right there. Which track?
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04-21-2013, 05:09 PM
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So who owns the header design? Wasn't MHP sending out suit letters to anyone who "tries" to make a similar header? I forget the name of this company (they make a lot of headers) that now makes a CLKBS header and was contemplating on making a C63 header.
04-21-2013, 08:51 PM
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