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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 04:46 PM
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Might have missed that, where did you read that it won't be 4Matic finally?
I think the article was on this site...AMG's man "Moers", confirmed it when talking personally to Chris Harris.
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pickles
I think the article was on this site...AMG's man "Moers", confirmed it when talking personally to Chris Harris.
Cheers, Pickles.
Yep I posted it.

I have a thread on the RWD confirmation on this forum and in the W205 2015 C63 forum.
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 09:11 PM
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I know for a lot of people 4Matic was "wasting" the C63 fun factor but for me, it's a no go without 4Matic since it would have been my winter car and here, with several foot of snow every winter, 4Matic would have been great...
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CoOlSlY
I know for a lot of people 4Matic was "wasting" the C63 fun factor but for me, it's a no go without 4Matic since it would have been my winter car and here, with several foot of snow every winter, 4Matic would have been great...
I made it through one of the worst winters my State has seen in 20 years with RWD and snow tires. Sure, 4MATIC helps but the tires are where it's at.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 04:25 AM
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by zibby43
I made it through one of the worst winters my State has seen in 20 years with RWD and snow tires. Sure, 4MATIC helps but the tires are where it's at.
With all due respect, I had a CTS-V 2 years ago and i'm travelling a lot during the end of the night when the roads are not well opened and it was a nightmare with Blizzaks LM-60 and a breeze with the Audi. I also have a SUV which I take only when towing a trailer, yes tires helps but there's a limit to what they can do.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 08:07 AM
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Looks like the wheel arches are little more pronounced....but those tires look like pizza cutters...hopefully they are just for test


I like the rear spoiler
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CoOlSlY
With all due respect, I had a CTS-V 2 years ago and i'm travelling a lot during the end of the night when the roads are not well opened and it was a nightmare with Blizzaks LM-60 and a breeze with the Audi. I also have a SUV which I take only when towing a trailer, yes tires helps but there's a limit to what they can do.
4WD only helps to get you going. Turning and braking is indeed all in the tires.

While my Audi S4 and RS4 were certainly more fun cars to drive in the snow, I could make an argument that the C63 is actually the "safer" car to drive as it doesn't give you a false sense of how much grip you have on the slippery white stuff. Sure, it is easy to overpower the available traction if you're not very careful with the throttle, but if you have an LSD and thus two driven wheels on your C63, there are no issuers with using it as a DD in snowy or icy conditions.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 01:27 PM
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Great find!

Regarding the rear brakes, are those a new version of the 4-piston calipers that the W204 C63 has always had?

Really hope the C63 is not losing the 6/4 front/rear piston setup with respect to the brake calipers.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CoOlSlY
With all due respect, I had a CTS-V 2 years ago and i'm travelling a lot during the end of the night when the roads are not well opened and it was a nightmare with Blizzaks LM-60 and a breeze with the Audi. I also have a SUV which I take only when towing a trailer, yes tires helps but there's a limit to what they can do.
A few years ago I had an E90 M Sport 335i with xDrive. It was pretty easy to handle in the snow, even with all-season tires.

Originally Posted by Diabolis
4WD only helps to get you going. Turning and braking is indeed all in the tires.

While my Audi S4 and RS4 were certainly more fun cars to drive in the snow, I could make an argument that the C63 is actually the "safer" car to drive as it doesn't give you a false sense of how much grip you have on the slippery white stuff. Sure, it is easy to overpower the available traction if you're not very careful with the throttle, but if you have an LSD and thus two driven wheels on your C63, there are no issuers with using it as a DD in snowy or icy conditions.
Good points!
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by zibby43
Great find!

Regarding the rear brakes, are those a new version of the 4-piston calipers that the W204 C63 has always had?

Really hope the C63 is not losing the 6/4 front/rear piston setup with respect to the brake calipers.
If the rear brakes are the ones we are seing I dont get it.

the rear look like a one piston floating setup. yuck.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by c63canada
If the rear brakes are the ones we are seing I dont get it.

the rear look like a one piston floating setup. yuck.
I hope that's just for testing purposes.

Upon further review they look like the single piston sliding calipers used on the rear of the CLA45.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zibby43
I hope that's just for testing purposes.

Upon further review they look like the single piston sliding calipers used on the rear of the CLA45.


It's a test mule.....nothing is final...brakes are switched out as frequently as wheels and tires


Those aren't production wheels either

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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 05:44 PM
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It's a test mule.....nothing is final...brakes are switched out as frequently as wheels and tires


Those aren't production wheels either
I hope you're right!

Although the wheels aren't half bad.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 07:38 PM
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the M5 has single piston sliding calipers, even on the ceramic package
they work fine, in fact they have some advantages, especially on the street, over the fixed design

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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 07:44 PM
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The C63 will not have a one piston calliper in the back, so I don't think it is the new C63. The BMWs can have anything they like. They had black one calliper brakes (usually used reserved for the C230) on all their cars, except if you paid tons of money to get nice looking ones.

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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ingenieur
the M5 has single piston sliding calipers, even on the ceramic package
they work fine, in fact they have some advantages, especially on the street, over the fixed design

Yes! Looks like the brakes I had on my bike when I was 12. Very fitting for a $100K car.

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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Now we are talking about what the calipers look like, instead of how they perform? Sorry had to say it

I for one was looking fwd to AWD. Will look to the E/CLS now.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 09:28 PM
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Now we are talking about what the calipers look like, instead of how they perform? Sorry had to say it

I for one was looking fwd to AWD. Will look to the E/CLS now.

form > function
superficial

the M5 stops better than the C63
the 'breaks' obviously are strong enough since they can lock the wheels up

granted, the brakes on my C63 look really nice, like 'man jewellry', but honestly, isn't how they perfrom more important?

my e46 had basic single piston calipers F & R, and it stopped great, little fade, no dive, very smooth, easy to modulate...no noise or vibration at all
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ingenieur
form > function
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Nope. If it was the case, BMW will not offer their performance brakes looking like "man's jewellery".

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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 10:20 PM
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 10:22 PM
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definite man jewellry
no floating rotors or aluminum hubs

the M5 upgrade ceramic package uesa a single piston sliding caliper
and it works fine
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 10:38 PM
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You are right about the M5. I am not talking about performance. If I pay for a car good money, I expect good performing brakes, that look a bit better than the ones on a Corolla. This is just me.
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 10:55 PM
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Is New better?

okay guys, i'm a little sad about the next C63.

let's recap:

according to this article:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11401176...-revealing-spy

"Reports are indicating the new engine will deliver a minimum of 450 HP (I WOULD HOPE SO) (331 kW) and up to 500+ HP (368+ KW) when configured with the performance package (2014 507 ALREADY HAS 507 HP SO GIMME SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT)."

1- the new engine would make no more hp than the NA 6.2 , 507 makes 507 hp

2- probably not that many more torques , maybe a little more down low in the rpm range with the turbos but not the same throttle response I guess

3- Still rear wheel drive. Ok for some guy down south that's great but in the north, 4wd gets the power down. 500 hp in a rear wheel drive sedan is really tough to put to the ground except on hot drag radials or at the very least in warm weather. 4wd much better when it snows and when it rains(often) and when it's cold in the spring and fall.

4- I don't see how the new motor could even come close to the exhaust sound of the 6.2 NA engine.

5- New c63 probably going to cost more.

6- new C63 shape is too feminine (curvy) IMO

Right now there is a few 2014 507 left in my area. Financing at 0.9% and four winter tires.

I'm starting to think 507
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ingenieur
the M5 has single piston sliding calipers, even on the ceramic package
they work fine, in fact they have some advantages, especially on the street, over the fixed design

What is the advantage of a single-piston sliding caliper over a fixed 4-piston caliper? Just curious.

The 2014 E63 has the 6/4 setup still.

They'll paint up and make the single-piston caliper look pretty (like they did on the CLA45) if they end up using it.

So it's not necessarily the form I'll be missing (although a 4-piston caliper does look more substantial). I was assuming the smaller caliper equaled less bite/clamping power.

Originally Posted by c63canada
okay guys, i'm a little sad about the next C63.

let's recap:

according to this article:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11401176...-revealing-spy

"Reports are indicating the new engine will deliver a minimum of 450 HP (I WOULD HOPE SO) (331 kW) and up to 500+ HP (368+ KW) when configured with the performance package (2014 507 ALREADY HAS 507 HP SO GIMME SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT)."

1- the new engine would make no more hp than the NA 6.2 , 507 makes 507 hp

2- probably not that many more torques , maybe a little more down low in the rpm range with the turbos but not the same throttle response I guess

3- Still rear wheel drive. Ok for some guy down south that's great but in the north, 4wd gets the power down. 500 hp in a rear wheel drive sedan is really tough to put to the ground except on hot drag radials or at the very least in warm weather. 4wd much better when it snows and when it rains(often) and when it's cold in the spring and fall.

4- I don't see how the new motor could even come close to the exhaust sound of the 6.2 NA engine.

5- New c63 probably going to cost more.

6- new C63 shape is too feminine (curvy) IMO

Right now there is a few 2014 507 left in my area. Financing at 0.9% and four winter tires.

I'm starting to think 507
With the turbos, I would actually expect a huge jump in torque with the next model.

Turbo motors generally have much more torque than NA engines (which tend to be higher-revving). Look at the SLS BS. Squeezing more horsepower out of that NA engine actually sacrificed torque.

Likely in the neighborhood of 500 lb-ft. I think that could be entirely plausible considering the E63 has considerably more torque (almost 100 lb-ft more).
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