CAMARO ZL1 vs C63
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CAMARO ZL1 vs C63
I was at the chevy dealership today. They have this very aggressive camaro ZL1: wide front and rear bumpers, big wheels, muscle hood, brembo brakes, etc... Curious about it i ask one of the salesman to give me a little decription of the car. As some of you may know it's 6.2 V8 supercharged delivering 580 HP and 550 of torque. It's got plenty of features like our cars (backup camera, navigation, bluetooth, performance monitor, LSD etc...).
Then i ask to fire it up a little and at this exact moment I'm very surprised by the loudness of the OEM exhaust . It's got quad tips that look like 3.5" in the back and honestly it sounds louder than our OEM.
So my question is why not buying this coupe as it has more power, almost same weight and aggressive bodykit from factory? Plus price wise it is less expensive.
It would be interesting to have your thoughts on this. I didn't test drive it but those of you who own/or have owned one does it handle the same as ours? What is the main criteria that would make you choose a c63 over a ZL1 or vice versa?
Then i ask to fire it up a little and at this exact moment I'm very surprised by the loudness of the OEM exhaust . It's got quad tips that look like 3.5" in the back and honestly it sounds louder than our OEM.
So my question is why not buying this coupe as it has more power, almost same weight and aggressive bodykit from factory? Plus price wise it is less expensive.
It would be interesting to have your thoughts on this. I didn't test drive it but those of you who own/or have owned one does it handle the same as ours? What is the main criteria that would make you choose a c63 over a ZL1 or vice versa?
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I think the whole point of an AMG is the craftsmanship behind it. There are several less exspensive and better performing vehicles out there but to me they lack "it". IE: I like watches, yeah I can buy an auto fossil that tells time but I would rather have a hand made timepiece that also tells time. To me there is simply no comparison, no disrespect to the ZL1 but it is a Fossil watch compared to a Breitling.
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No matter how fast or fancy it is, it will always be just a Camaro. Pennsyltucky water fall hair optional.
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I think the whole point of an AMG is the craftsmanship behind it. There are several less exspensive and better performing vehicles out there but to me they lack "it". IE: I like watches, yeah I can buy an auto fossil that tells time but I would rather have a hand made timepiece that also tells time. To me there is simply no comparison, no disrespect to the ZL1 but it is a Fossil watch compared to a Breitling.
That was a "Perfect" answer lol..
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There's always something faster or more luxurious or whatever. When it comes to cars, for me it's about feel. Does the car talk to me? What I feel through the steering wheel, the brake pedal and the seat of my pants means more to me than all out performance. With that said, going fast sure is fun! Drive it and then decide. I almost traded my C63 for a Roush RS3 mustang because of the noise and feel of the car. It talked to me and just made me smile.
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go drive it. do you want a cheap gm thats fast and disposable? you'll understand what these guys are talking about. i dont know fossil maybe a little too much of a compliment.
Im not saying its not fun by any means, id drive the **** out of one but wouldnt ever own one. just like a shelby mustang. You'd be better off checking out gtr's too
Im not saying its not fun by any means, id drive the **** out of one but wouldnt ever own one. just like a shelby mustang. You'd be better off checking out gtr's too
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I think the whole point of an AMG is the craftsmanship behind it. There are several less exspensive and better performing vehicles out there but to me they lack "it". IE: I like watches, yeah I can buy an auto fossil that tells time but I would rather have a hand made timepiece that also tells time. To me there is simply no comparison, no disrespect to the ZL1 but it is a Fossil watch compared to a Breitling.
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Actually i'm not looking to trade my sedan since i was at this dealership for another matter. But it got me thinking. I did buy my C63 because I drove it, because of the performance, the sound and the way i felt about it while testing it, the quality of engineering, material used for the interior, comfort and so on.... over BMW. I never imagine or put into consideration a muscle car though, no offense there. I did check the interior quickly and it felt a little empty.... It's probably lacking some subtle touches that I'm used to see in the C or any other german cars
Can performance overshadow style and quality on the long run meaning for a daily driver, particularly when you can have the best of both worlds in one car?
For sure I'll find some time to drive it for fun and curiosity...
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If your boss was throwing a party at his house in the Hamptons, would you rather show up in a Camaro or a C63?
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I was at the chevy dealership today. They have this very aggressive camaro ZL1: wide front and rear bumpers, big wheels, muscle hood, brembo brakes, etc... Curious about it i ask one of the salesman to give me a little decription of the car. As some of you may know it's 6.2 V8 supercharged delivering 580 HP and 550 of torque. It's got plenty of features like our cars (backup camera, navigation, bluetooth, performance monitor, LSD etc...).
Then i ask to fire it up a little and at this exact moment I'm very surprised by the loudness of the OEM exhaust . It's got quad tips that look like 3.5" in the back and honestly it sounds louder than our OEM.
So my question is why not buying this coupe as it has more power, almost same weight and aggressive bodykit from factory? Plus price wise it is less expensive.
It would be interesting to have your thoughts on this. I didn't test drive it but those of you who own/or have owned one does it handle the same as ours? What is the main criteria that would make you choose a c63 over a ZL1 or vice versa?
Then i ask to fire it up a little and at this exact moment I'm very surprised by the loudness of the OEM exhaust . It's got quad tips that look like 3.5" in the back and honestly it sounds louder than our OEM.
So my question is why not buying this coupe as it has more power, almost same weight and aggressive bodykit from factory? Plus price wise it is less expensive.
It would be interesting to have your thoughts on this. I didn't test drive it but those of you who own/or have owned one does it handle the same as ours? What is the main criteria that would make you choose a c63 over a ZL1 or vice versa?
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I don't think there is any comparison between a Merc and Chevrolet. The Merc interiors are far superior to the chevy and it is a completely different market. If I in the market for the fastest, most powerful car for $50,000, I would definitely buy the ZL1. The depreciation will be much lower than 90% of cars on the market and the car will have a following for many years to come. If you can buy one and put it in a time capsule it will be worth a lot of money in 20 years. An original ZL1 is worth a couple hundred grand but that is because they only made 69 of them.
The original 1969 ZL1 was the brainchild of Fred Gibb Chevrolet. GM agreed to produce the aluminum block 427 if Fred Gibb Chevrolet would purchase a minimum order of 50 vehicles. Gibb agreed to 50 vehicles under the impression the motor would add $500 to the camaro price. The first cars showed up on cold, snowy night and Gibb was shocked to learn the upgrade was closer to $7000. Gibb was unsuccessful in selling 50 ZL1's and is the only dealer GM has ever allowed to return vehicles. Eventually other muscle car dealers filled in the gap and 69 vehicles were sold.
The original 1969 ZL1 was the brainchild of Fred Gibb Chevrolet. GM agreed to produce the aluminum block 427 if Fred Gibb Chevrolet would purchase a minimum order of 50 vehicles. Gibb agreed to 50 vehicles under the impression the motor would add $500 to the camaro price. The first cars showed up on cold, snowy night and Gibb was shocked to learn the upgrade was closer to $7000. Gibb was unsuccessful in selling 50 ZL1's and is the only dealer GM has ever allowed to return vehicles. Eventually other muscle car dealers filled in the gap and 69 vehicles were sold.
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i saw the new Z28 a couple of weeks ago at Indy and it looked awesome with its massive carbon ceramics, huge front splitter and matte white paint. The interior was OK — perfectly fitting for its track focused design. Very similar in execution to 996-generation GT3's.
you can't compare it to our face-lifted C63's — cars designed to be fast, comfortable, daily drivers full of comfort features and assembled using quality components and materials. They are not track cars.
Different horses for different courses.
you can't compare it to our face-lifted C63's — cars designed to be fast, comfortable, daily drivers full of comfort features and assembled using quality components and materials. They are not track cars.
Different horses for different courses.
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I most respect the ZL1 for its handling - the GM engineers did an amazing job tuning the setup to make this heavy beast corner so well. I think the C63 BS would have to work pretty hard to out run a ZL1 on the track. The upcoming Z/28 will be even more of a track beast.
I'm not bothered by the Camaro's lack of snob appeal. The biggest thing that keeps me away from buying a Camaro is the terrible outward visibility. It feels like you're sitting in a tank.
I'm not bothered by the Camaro's lack of snob appeal. The biggest thing that keeps me away from buying a Camaro is the terrible outward visibility. It feels like you're sitting in a tank.
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It truly depends on what you want from a car. The C63 sedan is very nice because it can take 4 people comfortably and 5 people with a bit of a squeeze. The back seat of the Camaro is for emergencies and / or punishment only. Also, the C63 is smaller, lighter, and much more maneuverable around town with much better outward visibility, thus more relaxing to drive as a daily driver.
For pure numbers, the 2012+ C63s with the PP will beat a ZL1 in a straight line stock for stock. The ZL1 does handle well with the magnetic suspension, particularly for such a heavy car, and will likely do better on a twisty road course.
Thus, it all depends on what you want in your car. I needed a relatively small but very comfortable family hauler and the C63 sedan was by far the most fun car in that class. The ZL1 just does not fit that category. The CTS-V sedan might, but my wife who is the primary driver felt is was too big (and too Cadillac ;-). I did enjoy my CTS-V while I owned it. It was a more relaxed driver than the C63, but the C63 is smaller and easier to drive in town.
Get what fits your needs and makes you happy.
For pure numbers, the 2012+ C63s with the PP will beat a ZL1 in a straight line stock for stock. The ZL1 does handle well with the magnetic suspension, particularly for such a heavy car, and will likely do better on a twisty road course.
Thus, it all depends on what you want in your car. I needed a relatively small but very comfortable family hauler and the C63 sedan was by far the most fun car in that class. The ZL1 just does not fit that category. The CTS-V sedan might, but my wife who is the primary driver felt is was too big (and too Cadillac ;-). I did enjoy my CTS-V while I owned it. It was a more relaxed driver than the C63, but the C63 is smaller and easier to drive in town.
Get what fits your needs and makes you happy.
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You sure about that? Worst case scenario, the ZL1 will be neck to neck with the C63.
If they end up racing from a roll, then the C63 will end up behind the ZL1 very quickly.
If they end up racing for anything more than a quarter mile, the ZL1 will out-muscle the C63 as higher speeds approach.
Handling, don't even bother comparing the two.
I like the C63, but the ZL1 outmuscles C63 in pretty much every category.
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You sure about that? Worst case scenario, the ZL1 will be neck to neck with the C63.
If they end up racing from a roll, then the C63 will end up behind the ZL1 very quickly.
If they end up racing for anything more than a quarter mile, the ZL1 will out-muscle the C63 as higher speeds approach.
Handling, don't even bother comparing the two.
I like the C63, but the ZL1 outmuscles C63 in pretty much every category.
If they end up racing from a roll, then the C63 will end up behind the ZL1 very quickly.
If they end up racing for anything more than a quarter mile, the ZL1 will out-muscle the C63 as higher speeds approach.
Handling, don't even bother comparing the two.
I like the C63, but the ZL1 outmuscles C63 in pretty much every category.
Part of the C63 advantage is the transmission. I had a manual CTS-V and the shifting was great, but nowhere near as fast as the 7 speed auto on the C63 in S+ mode. The ZL1 is stuck with the same manual or an old school auto. If GM ever steps up with a dual clutch auto, it will be a whole new ball game as that will take at least a few tenths off the 1/4 time.
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Thus, it all depends on what you want in your car. I needed a relatively
small but very comfortable family hauler and the C63 sedan was by far the most
fun car in that class. The ZL1 just does not fit that category. The CTS-V sedan
might, but my wife who is the primary driver felt is was too big (and too
Cadillac ;-). I did enjoy my CTS-V while I owned it. It was a more relaxed
driver than the C63, but the C63 is smaller and easier to drive in town.
Get what fits your needs and makes you happy.
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Of course that's stock to stock, once modified its gonna take a lot more for an AMG to keep up and in my opinion there's a point where the Camaro will not be caught - the LSx market is just incredible and can make more power than most can imagine.