Jycke

Found this one:

AMG CEO Tobias Moers has confirmed that large displacement engines are on their way out.
Speaking to Motoring, Moers said the switch to smaller turbocharged engines is "part of the strategic discussion for the future, because downsizing is not a Mercedes-Benz or AMG thing, but it’s facing everybody in the automotive industry." He went on to say "The time is over for naturally-aspirated engines. If you look for fuel-efficiency and power output and torque output and you have to combine all the targets, the result is clear what you have to do for the future."
While a V8 based on the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder in the A45 and CLA45 AMG could theoretically produce more than 693 HP (510 kW), Moers said power increases are going to slow down but could be helped by an electric motor.
The executive also hinted the C63 AMG successor would be "ok" with 485-500 HP (356-367 kW) because there's no need for a 600 HP (441 kW) C-Class.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11310216...ext-generation

ced357

I think the future looks pretty good I know there is nothing like the big NA engines, but the new ones should be pretty fun IMO.

TTA850

It's not about need but rather a want for a 600hp C-Class

But if it hits (at least) the 500 mark stock and can be tuned to 600 I'd take that too

abcut973

Numbers look great but I will wait and see until i drive test one!
I love that N/A engine and the sound it has. So I'll be really picky on that

Jycke

Based on the E63 S the sound does have potential. and as we know, the C63 has a little bit more growl than the "gentlemen" versions

Sincity

Tell that to Weistec.

507in2013

Oh gee, haven't we heard it before from Mr Moers...? There is no replacement for displacement. Customers don't want to spend squillions on supercars powered by supped up lawnmower engines. Where there is demand there will be supply. If AMG is foolish enough to ignore it, they will do so at their own peril. Why can't there be a variety? If someone feels particularly "ecological" then they can drive their 500cc with auxiliary rubber band units and lowered suspension. F#ck that if i will. I want powerful, torquey great sounding engines powering achingly beautiful cars. I am sure there will be plenty of level headed car companies that will cater for it. Or if there is one left then they will make a fortune!

And whilst i am on my rant, this fricken abomination of F1 change with 1600cc will die in the ar$e sooner or later (preferably sooner). Don't we already have world comp with smaller engines, like WRC? This is F1 for f#ck sake! Pinnacle of performance, engineering and sex appeal. doesn't anyone remember anymore their wide beaming grins when the V10 NA engined cars started lining up on the grid, after the last turbo era was killed off? Sure as **** i remember. It was AWESOME! we should have at least 3L F1 and anything between V8 to V12. And if it's "too dangerous" or "too fast" then don't f#cken race and give your spot to those that gladly will. I am sick and tired of those **** ant pansies getting paid fortunes and complaining that it's dangerous. You wanna see dangerous? go to fricken Afghanistan.

forcefed6.4ford

1) A 4.0 V8 is a large engine. We in north america are used to large displacement engines because in the past our engineers were too lazy or too damn stupid to build a proper high horse power and fuel effecient engine.

2) F1 is a showcase of what is possible hp and effeciency based on a strict formula. The cars continue to get faster and faster. Granted they did slow when the grooved tires and limited areo came into effect, but the engineers did their magic and lap times continue to fall. I wish I was old enough to appreciate the height of the turbo era. I'm pleased that it's back.

Edit: The rules changes came into effect to increase the passing and overtaking during a race. Watching a dominant team parade around the track unchallanged is boring. Remeber the Shue years? The only passign was when Micheal and Ruben passed back markers. Snore fest.

3) I know that Can Am of the 60's and early 70's as well as Group C prototypes were the ubber motor racing spectical of history. And yes... They were too fast and too dnagerous. When cars start to kill spectators, something has to be changed.

batkins83

Beautiful C63!

507in2013

whatever.

dremorg

I'm pretty sure this won't be a 2014 C63. The change is every 7 years...am i correct? The regular W205 won't be out until 2013 and will be a 2014 model. I'm wondering how long after the regular C is introduced will the next generation C63 be for sale. So maybe late 2013 or mid 2014? I bought my C63 in April 2008.

TTA850

By today's standards maybe, but in reality a 4.0L engine should be a V6. The only truly large performance V8 left is the LS7 and it's on life support in the Z28

KIS007

I feel like I'm in a time warp, I have a 2014 and it is out and it is not 485-500 hp.

LuisC55AMG

I propose a minute of silence guys to remind us the end of the big bore-N/A engine era. We will tell our grandchildren we were owners of beasts with big, loud and powerful V8s. Sad, but the reality is that the world is moving forward with this...

507in2013

No, actually. I think we should maintain the rage!

BTW, and further in reply to forcefed, just because US made stupid lazy big bore engines, doesn't mean that the rest of the world has to follow suit. Big engines will take fuel. Like anything price is the factor regulating supply and demand. I am sick and tired hearing from "do gooders" telling me what i should do. Before we know it, we will be all dressed up in the same garb, reciting Mao's thoughts. F#ck that!

forcefed6.4ford

The rest of the world didn't follow suit. The European and Japanesse market have downsized and embraced forced induction. Where as NA has only just started to turbo/super charge their performance models. All big cubic inches are now, are bragging rights. I would take a turbo charged engine over n/a any day of the week. Far more hp is left on the table for aftermarket tuning with super chargers, and even more so with turbos.

Why not have your cake and eat it to? HP and resonable mileage.

TTA850

Having my cake and eating it too would be large cube engines with forced induction

I'm all for turbocharging/supercharging, I just think it would be even better on a large engine and don't care what the fuel economy of my performance car is even if the government and ecomentalist libs do

forcefed6.4ford

Thank heaven for the aftermarket.

I could care less about mpg too. The truck in my avitar gets 14mpg at best and on a conservative tune makes over 500hp at the wheels. Twin turbos for the win

507in2013

Exactly. There is nothing wrong in putting a nice supercharger or turbo on something like 6.2L from Affalterbach, or Modena I think Germans and Italians (Ferrari, Lamborghini) have shown that one can still make big bore NA engines, which are not technologically retarded. What gets up my nose is this nanny state mentality under the pretense of environmental responsibility... as if gov knows what's best for us, please!

csexty3

random thought, but a smaller engine, ie 4.0L, could provide a better front/rear weight distribution at an overall lower curb weight for the new C, which is definitely not a bad thing IMO.

Pickles

I'm staying out of this thread, because I try to keep my comments "factual", & the "factual" validation of this thread is that nobody knows ANYTHING, of a factual nature.
Cheers, Pickles.

507in2013

^^^and what is wrong about sharing opinions? in the face of facts which point to decreasing size of engines, some people exchange opinions whether they like what's going on or not. Oh, and that's a fact

csexty3

Whatever burns time...this discussion beats the hell out of the junk they show on TV nowadays lol

507in2013

^^^ we aim to please

Z63amg

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ismo-spy-shots

Not every good thing comes out of a V8. The new GTR will go 0 to 60 in 2.0 seconds flat!