Dealership trying to overcharge me for rotor+brake pad job? (Picture of invoice)
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you're not helping your case
did you look at the yeilds
the graph is 20 years
20k hit 60k (3:1 return, same as 150 to 500) in 10 years or so (as I said!
1996 to 2007
now it's still worth ~60k, so 20k in 1996, 60k in 2013, 17 years
never said liar, you did (Freudian?) that you don't make between 1.2 and 1.8 million per year
did you look at the yeilds
the graph is 20 years
20k hit 60k (3:1 return, same as 150 to 500) in 10 years or so (as I said!
1996 to 2007
now it's still worth ~60k, so 20k in 1996, 60k in 2013, 17 years
never said liar, you did (Freudian?) that you don't make between 1.2 and 1.8 million per year
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I'm saying if you put in 50k a YEAR...not just throw in 50k and let it sit...50k a year over 10 years is 500k you now have in there + whatever the return...not just a 1 time 50k or whatever you want to put in...i don't even make over 1M a year i never said i did..making 70-90k a month isn't 1.8M a year..revenue and take home are completely different
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ok
close to 150k/month
to 100k/month
to 70-90k month
1.8 mil to 1,2 mil to 0.85 to 1.1 mil
you take home 70k to 90k a month?
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anyways this dicussion is so far off topic..it was about brakes..why it's about finanical info now..this is ridiculous..im not on this forum to have a pissing contest or brag about how much money i make..its all stupid and immature to talk about in the first place
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not 70k\70k is 'not close'
I'd be surprised if you made 70k a YEAR
so you take home 80k (avg 70 to 90k) a month?
that is take home of 1 mil, which with Canadian taxes would be 1.8 mil or so gross?
I've owned and/or run businesses for 30 years
still have a side consulting business and I do 40k to 50k.........a year, lol, but only work 200-300 hours at it
I could triple is easy, I turn down work, but have a full time government job
I'll keep doing it when I retire
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(that leaves 20k for living for 1 year yeah right..have fun eating KD and potatos)...if you read any of my posts you'd say i said to the one guy "you could use that 150k for something better" you're so far out there..you could spend that 150k investing into a new startup and make millions...i just listed 1 way you could do..theres litterly millions of ways..im not going to sit here and type them out..jesus..wouldn't it be retarded of me if I made 70k a year to go buy a c63??? yeah
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first you said 'almost 150k /month) which is 1.8 mil or so
then you said you take home 70 to 90k a month, after taxes
let's call it 80k/month, which is 1 mil net
BEFORE taxes it would be higher, your taxes are close to 40%
so 1.6 to 1.8 BEFORE taxes less 40% taxes ~ 1 mil take home AFTER taxes or 80k/month
so you make 1.6 to 1.8 mil? no?
then you said you take home 70 to 90k a month, after taxes
let's call it 80k/month, which is 1 mil net
BEFORE taxes it would be higher, your taxes are close to 40%
so 1.6 to 1.8 BEFORE taxes less 40% taxes ~ 1 mil take home AFTER taxes or 80k/month
so you make 1.6 to 1.8 mil? no?
i dont get where you're getting 1.8M from!?! you make 0 sense...Believe what you want...i'm not going to sit here on a thread about brakes and discuss income statements...sure if you want to believe i make 70k a year go for it..but i didn't realize people who make 70k a year pay off a 50k C63... ...if you read any of my posts you'd say i said to the one guy "you could use that 150k for something better" you're so far out there..you could spend that 150k investing into a new startup and make millions...i just listed 1 way you could do..theres litterly millions of ways..im not going to sit here and type them out..jesus..wouldn't it be retarded of me if I made 70k a year to go buy a c63??? uh yeah
...if you read any of my posts you'd say i said to the one guy "you could use that 150k for something better" you're so far out there..you could spend that 150k investing into a new startup and make millions...i just listed 1 way you could do..theres litterly millions of ways..im not going to sit here and type them out..jesus..wouldn't it be retarded of me if I made 70k a year to go buy a c63??? uh yeah
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first you said 'almost 150k /month) which is 1.8 mil or so
then you said you take home 70 to 90k a month, after taxes
let's call it 80k/month, which is 1 mil net
BEFORE taxes it would be higher, your taxes are close to 40%
so 1.8 BEFROE taxes less 40% taxes ~ 1 mil take home
then you said you take home 70 to 90k a month, after taxes
let's call it 80k/month, which is 1 mil net
BEFORE taxes it would be higher, your taxes are close to 40%
so 1.8 BEFROE taxes less 40% taxes ~ 1 mil take home
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how can you take home 80k/month after taxes if you only make 50k a year (close to 70k a year pre-tax. lol)
now you're a billionaire?
billionaires make millions
what's the point of making millions if you don't have access and control of it, if you can't spend it, or roll around in it, whatever you bilionaires do with it
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??????
how can you take home 80k/month after taxes if you only make 50k a year (close to 70k a year pre-tax. lol)
now you're a billionaire?
billionaires make millions
what's the point of making millions if you don't have access and control of it, if you can't spend it, or roll around in it, whatever you bilionaires do with it
how can you take home 80k/month after taxes if you only make 50k a year (close to 70k a year pre-tax. lol)
now you're a billionaire?
billionaires make millions
what's the point of making millions if you don't have access and control of it, if you can't spend it, or roll around in it, whatever you bilionaires do with it
What? how can't you access your businesses money? I can spend it as freely as I want...your just buying under your business...you've never had a corporation have you? i never said i was a billionaire...where are you getting this from..i said alot of billionaires pay them selfs low salaries..look it up if you don't believe me...why on earth would you pay yourself 5M a year and have the government stick their hand so far up yourass you can't walk anymore? do you not realize how much tax paying yourself personally millions would be!?!?! you mise well just go flush it down the toilet or hand it out on the street
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This conversation is a masterpiece. This post started as a question to the brake job, which is really 1.5 hours labor + the parts and ended up in the dogs fight - good job everyone...
Parts for P packages are expensive and it is what it is. Labor should not run you more than 120$ per axle. (We charge much less). For the OEM parts and the labor on P package it is a steal, non-P you can do better !
Igor.
Parts for P packages are expensive and it is what it is. Labor should not run you more than 120$ per axle. (We charge much less). For the OEM parts and the labor on P package it is a steal, non-P you can do better !
Igor.
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Ok - yields on investments are way off topic or at least not an area I have much expertise in myself, but I think what avery.whss is trying to say is that if you own your own business, what the business makes and what you pay yourself as an employee of that same business are two different things despite the fact that it's all your money. The idea is to minimize your taxes, which usually means that you pay yourself a nominal salary (on which the tax rate is higher) and keep the rest of the cash under the corporate umbrella (on which the tax rate is lower). I do the same thing with my business.
Going back to the OP and ingenieur's point, I also used to wrench on my cars but now my discretionary time is by far a more precious commodity and I let others service them. I agree that you can save money by doing the job yourself if you know what you're doing, but at the same time in response to the OP's post I don't think that $2350 for a brake job including rotors on a C63 could be characterized as rape by any means. I guess it all comes down to what your abilities are and what your time is worth. I don't mean that in the absolute sense of $ earned per hour but rather spending time with people you love and/or doing things that you enjoy.
Going back to the OP and ingenieur's point, I also used to wrench on my cars but now my discretionary time is by far a more precious commodity and I let others service them. I agree that you can save money by doing the job yourself if you know what you're doing, but at the same time in response to the OP's post I don't think that $2350 for a brake job including rotors on a C63 could be characterized as rape by any means. I guess it all comes down to what your abilities are and what your time is worth. I don't mean that in the absolute sense of $ earned per hour but rather spending time with people you love and/or doing things that you enjoy.
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I was at eurocharged today and they looked at my brakes while I was getting ready for a brake fluid flush. Looks like my front rotors are about done and my rear is getting there. So we called the dealership and they quoted an SL65 for 900ish per rotor. Talk about robbery So we looking online on ebay and a few part stores for the rotors. I could understand 500-600 but over 900 per rotor, talk about giving a finger to the stealership
So we looking online on ebay and a few part stores for the rotors. I could understand 500-600 but over 900 per rotor, talk about giving a finger to the stealership
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Hi guys. I have a 2009 C63 and my brake pads were getting squeeky. Needed to get pads changed but dealership trying to rape me.
Is it necessary to do it now? MY CPO ends May next year 2014 so only 6 months left, I figured I'd just do it at an independent bodyshop.
But I'm not sure where to order the rotors + pads because of the P30 vs P31 package? My car is 2009 C63, it didn't have CF spoiler or red calipers. It has silver calipers
If anyone could link me or refer to someone it'd be appreciated. Thank you!
Is it necessary to do it now? MY CPO ends May next year 2014 so only 6 months left, I figured I'd just do it at an independent bodyshop.
But I'm not sure where to order the rotors + pads because of the P30 vs P31 package? My car is 2009 C63, it didn't have CF spoiler or red calipers. It has silver calipers
If anyone could link me or refer to someone it'd be appreciated. Thank you!
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I was at eurocharged today and they looked at my brakes while I was getting ready for a brake fluid flush. Looks like my front rotors are about done and my rear is getting there. So we called the dealership and they quoted an SL65 for 900ish per rotor. Talk about robbery So we looking online on ebay and a few part stores for the rotors. I could understand 500-600 but over 900 per rotor, talk about giving a finger to the stealership
So we looking online on ebay and a few part stores for the rotors. I could understand 500-600 but over 900 per rotor, talk about giving a finger to the stealership
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P.S. And they will eat your rotors faster than semi-metallic pads. The pads themselves will last a long time, but you'll end up eating your rotors quicker.
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I guess you really saved on your pads/rotors as some quality aftermarket products will perform at least as well at 50% of the OEM cost WHEN PADS AND ROTORS ARE PROPERLY MATCHED. Done that 100+ times and no single unhappy client.
I will admit that MB OEM is a better quality products, but is it worth extra 50% pricetag ? For some it is, for others it is not - this is when it comes to driving style as OEM can take abuse much better...
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case, I was looking on the forums and I've seen do OEM rotors for 650-750 range, and found a few online that match that. Dealers need to make there money. I never ever pay the dealer for parts unless its a must, like what dealer in there right mind charges over 120 for a single set of OEM V12 Biturbo Badge when I can get the OEM for 40-50 online in the OEM box, or a 3rd brake light that the dealer will charge over 300 for it, when I can get it for 140-170 for in the same unopen box. If you honesty think parts from dealers aren't marked up then idk what to tell you, but there's a reason there called stealerships
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Dude, you might be in Canada where prices are a little higher.. but you are off your rocker pulling numbers out of your ***.
First off, there is dealer markup, and it is significant, on every part, not just rotors. Prime example, cheap *** VW jetta. 3rd brake light is a pcb with 12 leds, no logic, no chips, just straight up leds, pcb and wiring channels... I am an electrical eng by study (I work in IT though)... so I have a good understanding of the resources and costs that go into making electronic parts... $112 ****ing dollars.. that is a 1000%+ markup on a part that is shared across their entire range (at the time, this was a 2001 model) of VW and Audi vehicles, total cost of materials at retail level is around $1.60 at the time. Pricing the leds from Radio Shack, and PCB from an online site.
The cost of the C63 regular non 2 piece rotors 3 years ago was close to $700, they are now about $150, if you think the cost to make the rotors dropped that significantly in the last 3 years, well, they don't. MB marks up prices just like everyone else.
Labor obviously varies by location, but the time to do all 4 brakes for me diying it, include bleeding the brakes, was only 3 hours, and that is using jackstands and a manual jack.
You need to stop thinking that people are cheaping out on parts, or being cheap by not going to a dealer. In many cases, alot of people would prefer to spend money at their indy shop, it keeps money in the community. Parts are just a ripoff everywhere, so get decent ones where you can find em as cheap as possible.
First off, there is dealer markup, and it is significant, on every part, not just rotors. Prime example, cheap *** VW jetta. 3rd brake light is a pcb with 12 leds, no logic, no chips, just straight up leds, pcb and wiring channels... I am an electrical eng by study (I work in IT though)... so I have a good understanding of the resources and costs that go into making electronic parts... $112 ****ing dollars.. that is a 1000%+ markup on a part that is shared across their entire range (at the time, this was a 2001 model) of VW and Audi vehicles, total cost of materials at retail level is around $1.60 at the time. Pricing the leds from Radio Shack, and PCB from an online site.
The cost of the C63 regular non 2 piece rotors 3 years ago was close to $700, they are now about $150, if you think the cost to make the rotors dropped that significantly in the last 3 years, well, they don't. MB marks up prices just like everyone else.
Labor obviously varies by location, but the time to do all 4 brakes for me diying it, include bleeding the brakes, was only 3 hours, and that is using jackstands and a manual jack.
You need to stop thinking that people are cheaping out on parts, or being cheap by not going to a dealer. In many cases, alot of people would prefer to spend money at their indy shop, it keeps money in the community. Parts are just a ripoff everywhere, so get decent ones where you can find em as cheap as possible.
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Sure - but now you also can't stop when the brakes are cold in cold weather, and you'll end up warping your rotors when you do stop in a hurry because of the higher heat ceramic pads generate. Been there done that.
P.S. And they will eat your rotors faster than semi-metallic pads. The pads themselves will last a long time, but you'll end up eating your rotors quicker.
P.S. And they will eat your rotors faster than semi-metallic pads. The pads themselves will last a long time, but you'll end up eating your rotors quicker.
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case, I was looking on the forums and I've seen do OEM rotors for 650-750 range, and found a few online that match that. Dealers need to make there money. I never ever pay the dealer for parts unless its a must, like what dealer in there right mind charges over 120 for a single set of OEM V12 Biturbo Badge when I can get the OEM for 40-50 online in the OEM box, or a 3rd brake light that the dealer will charge over 300 for it, when I can get it for 140-170 for in the same unopen box. If you honesty think parts from dealers aren't marked up then idk what to tell you, but there's a reason there called stealerships
Igor.
