Aresh

Since i have gotten my car lowered with H&R springs my car has always pulled to the right. i have gotten alignment done three times now, last one at the dealer. The alignment is in specs but the camber is more negative due to it being lowered. I read some other threads about buying camber bolts? Has anyone resolved this? This is the same issue with two different set of wheels.

abcut973

Definitely the usual when you lower your car. Install camber bolt or adjustable camber system from Kmac. It will solve your problem.

Scottie46

Is your car a P31 or no ?

roadtalontsi

post up your alignment specs. Do you know what adjustment bolt kits are in it and where? Or are you getting it aligned at some ntb/discount non dealer shop- as they only adjust the toe which has no affect on vehicle pulling/drift only steering wheel position. either way post the specs ill give you my input. keep in mind crap tires, worn tires, especially directional tires and/or bent wheels will also cause pulling.

CoolBDPhenom03

Dude, you need to find a good alignment shop that you trust. Not anyone can do an alignment on our cars.

Aresh

So it is the negative camber that's causing this problem?

Aresh

I had it aligned at the dealership but didn't get a spec sheet. They listed that the car has negative camber due to lowering springs. If the alignment is in spec, then will camber bolts help any ?

Aresh

P31

Roswell

Sorry to hear about ur problem, I never had an alignment with my car after lowering 3 years ago. And my car drive straight like on rail.

Hope u get ur issue resolved.

crazy1eye

I too had this issue after installing H&R springs on my '10 P31. Even know the alignment was in spec, I bought the MB camber bolts which helped, though it's not perfect, it's defiantly better.

Mort

The reason the car is pulling to the right after lowering is that the camber and caster are no longer equal side to side. As mentioned camber bolts may alleviate the pull but not eliminate it all together. If the camber bolts do not cure the pull then you will need to live with it or buy KMac bushings for the front and probably the rear. I have KMac in the front and mine is almost acceptable but still pulls a bit to the right. The alignment guy at my dealer says it is probably radial pull in the tires but I don't think so as I have moved the tires (F&R) side to side with no difference in the pull. I also think he is paid flat rate and does not really want to get into it because he will not be paid for all his time so he is making excuses. The only thing he would set last time I was there was front toe saying the rest where close enough and not going to cause a pull but he was wrong. Just like throwing money away going there.

Tire Rack says you can set Cross Camber and Cross Caster 1/4 degree more to overcome a pull to the right (to compensate for a crown in the road). So a slight pull might be corrected with a 1/4 degree more negative camber on the right side and 1/4 degree more positive caster on the right side. I am getting rear bushings this winter as well because my rear camber is off side to side on the rear as well. I will get a full alignment in the spring from an independent alignment guy and see if I can get mine sorted out 100%.

Aresh

Where can i get the bolts? Is this an install i can do myself?

Aresh

What a hassle, if i knew lowering the car was going to cause this, i would have went with coils.

crazy1eye

At your local MB dealer or online suppose, part # 000-333-10-71

I had the alignment guy install them while aligning my car so I'm not sure if it's abig deal or not.

Mort

You can get camber bolts (collision correction bolts) from the dealer but they have limited adjustability and can only be installed to increase or decrease negative camber depending on which direction you need or want to go. You can put them in yourself but it is not really intuitive.

If you buy coilovers you will still need to do a detailed corner weight balance to get it right and I suppose the alignment could still be off.

mtxkidd2

i had my car lowered on H&R also got it aligned..pulled to the right got the alignment bolts had them installed and re-aligned all at dealer by a guy that i know very well watched him put it all in spec..and still pulls very very slightly to the right..he has aligned alot of my other cars bmw,audi,etc and they are perfect..i just settled with it.. i have no excessive tire wear or anything..and like i said it is very very slight..im also very picky most might say mine is perfect..

dc5itr888

Did you not mention you had your car lowered when they did your alignment? Who installed your springs? If they at all knowledgeable they shouldve been able to suggest what you needed

charliekay

I put some H&R springs on my car today and so far it is perfect after the alignment. The springs were installed and car aligned at a suspension specialist so it might just need another alignment.

Mine is a RHD car but I cant see that making a difference.

roadtalontsi

saying the car is in specs and very vague. Call them and have them fax or email you the specs. usually on the 204's i try and set the cambers about even and 45-60' caster pull to the left to overcome the texas road crown. You cant just go throwing in these bolts at random it doesnt work like that. It depends on what the car needs. changing the bolts also drastically changes the toe. Get the specs and post them up, i can tell where to put the bolts if needed etc...

farhadahmad

i kinda feel the same way to.....

Steve Richo

Just had my 63 lowered on HR springs and no issues at all, car drives and behaves as it did before the lowering. My suspension guy is pretty switched on and does a lot of track cars so perhaps competency/experience is a key element?

Aresh

Here's the spec sheet, the camber is off and so is the castor. What do you suggest good sir?

roadtalontsi

wow those specs actually arent all that bad at all. the front and rear toe are alittle on the sloppy side - they should be exactly the same or within .04 or less typically. As for the which bolts to use depends on where you live and how your roads are. Right now the way your car is set up it has a .06 camber pull to the left (camber pulls twice as hard) and a .06 caster pull to the right. so in essence it should drive perfectly straight given your wheels arent bent, tires are perfect (note even new tires can cause pulling) and you are on a perfectly flat surface. If the roads where you are, are nice a flat i'd go ahead and get 2 of the adjustment bolt kits and pull both the left and right camber control arms in which should lower them around .20 (keep in mind we are talking minutes, .60 = to 1.00 degree) If your roads suck like they do in texas, there is a huge slope down to the right or outside of the road - im in usa so we drive on the right side. So we set our cars to have a pull to the left around .40-1.00 preferrably with as much caster as possible because caster isnt a wearing angle. keep cambers close to each other for similar wear. If this were my car i'd pull in the left camber and pull in the right torque strut/thrust arm which would give you a nice little pull to the left so when you let go of the wheel it doesnt dart to the right and pull you off the road. Either way with how low you are you still going to have around -2.00 camber which will wear more on the insides but less than the -2.30 it has now. Feel free to ask away if this was confusing.

Aresh

A little confusing. Our roads crown to the right and I would say there bad roads. According to that, what would you suggest? Do I buy camber bolts? And what do I tell the tech to do? Thank you

roadtalontsi

well since your having the dealer do it, no need to buy the bolts separately they can bill them on the repair order. Tell them to put one in the left camber and pull it in. Put one in the right torque strut/thrust arm and pull it in. The specs should then become something more like....
Left Right
camber -2.10 -2.18
caster 11.16 11.54

also insist that the press bar - for pressed toe be used as toe is usually the #1 killer of tires. Most are too lazy to use this even though it takes only a moment.

thats an estimate and every car is alittle different but thats the ball park of what it will change to with those bolts. Either way you'll be running slightly less camber to help lessen the wear, and it'll have a nice pull to the left to help keep the car on the road. Keep in mind if the steering wheel is off it has to do with the toe settings only.