I get that.

My point was that if the non-507 C63 hit 3.7 in the hands of Car & Driver, the similarly powerful, much lighter F80 M3 will likely equal or better that time as soon as it is tested.

 

I love the look and design of the bmw. I loved my 1 series and that 4 series is something to drool over in pictures. However, I found my 1 series to be too serious of a car. Yea it was fast, the speedo climbed at an incredible rate with a tune and I would argue that my 135i was just as fast as my c63 stock. However, I just couldn't have the same amount of fun. The sound and torque thrill of the c class has bmw beat.

I bet these m3/m4's are faster than our N/A C's without much of a problem stock vs stock. Straight line, around a track, whatever. It just wont nearly be as fun.

I am hoping and praying that AMG doesn't lose its sound. They made that CLA45 sound pretty wicked especially with shifting and if the c63 really does go with a TT route I hope they try to emulate the sound of the e63.

 

I got to sit in one today....

It is quite beautiful! This one had a carbon brake package.
Still like my C63 through!

 

Straight 6 plus 2 turbos, sounds like a beefed up jap engine, good mid range but dry either low or high revs. I'd rather go for a small V8 w a twin turbo

 

I don't like anything about the car, it only makes me not be able to wait for the now C63 that much more

 

doesn't he current N55 (1 turbo, the 2 turbo N54 is 1400) make peak torque at 1200 rpm?
and > then the V8 M3? (300 vs 297)

the M3/M4 in the photos have the carbon/ceramic brakes (gold calipers)

 

the magazine tests that have weighed C63's get 4000 lbs
it's 700 lbs lighter, that is huge

 

Agree...If it doesn't surpass the current C63 #'s then I'd say its a complete failure. I expect 3.6-3.7 to 60 and upper 11's qtr mile. It all depends on how well it hooks up. I think it's going to be a beast but an AWD 4.0TT C63 should have no issues topping the M3 #s regardless of weight.

 

M doesn't 'fail' often
Every gen of M3 has been better than the previous and it is the accepted benchmark in the class, sedan practicality, as fast as a base 911, and much cheaper...hard to fault

I can't find a review where the C63 was rated higher than the same generation M3...

nothing wrong with brand loyalty but don't let it obscure the engineering reality...

not saying the M will be 'better', but it won't be 'worse'

 

the C63s only been out for a few years though...before that it was C55 etc..it's not like the C63 has been around for 20 years...So yeah..no wonder M3 is going to be better with each generation when they have 20 or w/e gens behind them...I'd be shocked if they weren't getting better as time goes on..thats usually how "life" works..you get better.

Anyways I doubt the new C63 will weigh anywhere near "4,000" pounds..even the current one doesn't weight that..mine weight in at just around 3860lbs..with me inside..im sure if i threw on a **** load of CF and super light wheels I can get it even lower, and DUH no wonder a 4.0L is going to weight less then a 6.3L...isn't that common sense by now? it seems like some of you guys think a 6.3L ENGINE should weight the same as a 4.0L ENGINE..This isn't F1 where they have 2.0L V8s revving to 20grand guys...

End of the day M3/M4 will still need to be revved to 6500 RPM to hear anything worth while...it's a badass looking car..it's probably fast yeah but MB will beat it again..besides C63 already beat the M3 GTS at everything it was suppose to be the MB at anyways..


there's a entire series about it...these 2 guys are professional drivers..I'm pretty sure they know what their talking about.

again it just all comes down to personal preference..I won't hate on a guy with a M3/M4..infact I think they are pretty sweet..minus the fact you gotta rev them high to hear any "grunt"...I'll take my C63 with straight pipes any day

 

AMG cars have been around since 1967
and built with MB since 1990
and owned by MB since 2005

all unladen curb weight
Road & Track 2010 C63
3992 lb

Car & driver 2007 Dec
4034

Evo 151
1827 kg ~ 4019 lb

there has been 4 generations to date, not 20
e30, e36, e46, e9x, and the new ones not yet released

you are full of crap that a laden stock C63 weighs 3860...no way
someone like you 'explaining' 'life' is a hoot, the wunderkind who makes 'almost' 1 mil a month,
21 years old and having worked in a jiffy lube for 3 years, lol
you've been a busy little beaver

what is the weight difference between the 4 l V8 and the 6.2 V8? (edit below, the 4 weighs MORE)
can't be more than 50 pounds

skippy, you should listen/read more and blather less
2 liter F1 V8's?? are you for real? try 2.4 and they are rev limited to 18k rev/min

 

Daimler/AMG M156: 6.2L DOHC 32V, weighs 439 lb
The S65B40 V8 engine from the current E90/92/93 M3 weighs 202kgs (444)

hmmmm the 4 liter M3 engine weighs MORE than the C63 6.2
go figure

you do not give the AMG engineers enough credit and M engineers even less
7:48 M3 GTS
7:50 M3 CSL
7:54 CLK DTM AMG
8:02 CLK BS (different but equal driver)
8:05 e92 M3
8:13 C63

 

21? I'm 25 bro.....I don't even date 21 year old girls...I'm on that there cougar time if you know what I'm sayin...Started my business when I was just turning 19 so that's a few years now...Anyways...AMG's engines are all different L's and such..Just because ford's been around for 100 years doesn't mean their trucks are perfect..AMG was probably across more platforms vs just 1-2 engines...I don't know the exact history but to me if a car company is working on only 1-3 engine platforms vs 5+..then the 1-3 engine platforms will be more or should be more developed then if a car company is working on 5+ or whatever..the one thats working on the lower amount of platforms should have the most advancement in my eyes..I'm surprised the 4.0L weights more...I didn't do my research I'm just going off of pure guesses that a 4.0L would just weight less due to its displacement but seeing that isnt the case..the M3's been around since the 80s no? I'm sure they've been doing slight improvements since then..maybe not entire engine overhauls or anything but I'm sure they tuned and tweaked a few things and received data back on how it was working..I also had no spare tire in the trunk so that could be why..I'm sure it was around 50-60 pounds there? Not sure how much full size spares weight. I'm just going on what I was told man...People see UFO's all the time..does that make them real? If you think I'm a liar go for it..I'm just presenting what I know and was told..I'm not claiming it to be 100% correct..there's a difference between doing 1M a year and 1M a month, Anyways keep going with your judgmental attitude

I don't care if you tell me my facts are wrong..I can accept that. Just don't act like another piece of **** who thinks because some young guy has money he's just a liar and it's all daddys money and is just an utter total dumb "kid in his 20s" because I'm obviously not dumb if I can pay for a C63 in full without any loans or leases or my parents or drug money.

Also as far as the weight goes..I forgot to add that my secondary cats are deleted also..those easily weight 30-50 pounds...they aren't light that's for sure...the straight pipes were way lighter....Maybe 10-ish pounds if that..So no spare tire+no secondary cats I'm sure is a easy 100 pounds alone..I only weight around 150ish + I probably didn't even have a full tank (i can't recall) so...now all of a sudden 3860 doesn't seem unrealistic does it? like i said..there was no scale reading in-front of me it was all done and told to me by a person inside a booth..I doubt they'd just blatantly lie to a stranger too

 

Add to those...

2012+ C63 - 8:01
2012 - C63BS - 7:46

http://m.autoblog.com/2011/12/20/mer...ap-on-the-rin/

 

I gotta admit - I'm impressed with the specs of the M3/M4.

The power to weight ratio beats out the current base C63 AMG (so in a straight line it will win), it gets 32mph, has plenty of torque and the band is very wide (peak torque is flat from about 2000rpm - 5500rpm), it looks amazing... and it will no doubt handle much better due to being about 500lbs lighter along with the legendary M3 handling.

3300lbs weight.
430hp / 406tq
255 front tires / 275 rears

Sheesh, on paper this looks like it will give a 911 GT3 a run for its money.

Damn.

The new C AMG has its work cut out, thats for sure...

 

I see a lot of fan boy garbage in this thread.

This new M3/M4 is IMPRESSIVE on paper. Looks are subjective... but man, 3300lbs and all that power with what will ovbiously be great handling.

Again, just damn. Almost makes me wish I didn't buy my C63 a few months ago...

 

Enjoy your C63 for a few years.

You don't want anything to do with the headache of owning a first-year model BMW.

Been there. Done that. Car was a lemon.

Besides, you'd be saying the same thing if you jumped on the new M3 and then the 2015 C63 turned out to be a lighter, DCT-equipped, 480+ horsepower M3 killer.

 

The new C63 is going to walk on the M3...DCT doesn't make a difference when you're 3 cars behind

 

I hope you're right.

 

I have no idea what you are saying...do you?


you need to simmer down skippy, you'll blow a gasket

3860 - 150 ish ~ 3700 ish
4000+ - 3700 = >300 lb in wt reduction
really?
you MIGHT have removed 100 lbs (more like 30 + 30 = 60), but I doubt it which would imply your car weighs 4000 - 100 + 150 = 4050, NOT 3860

if your 'facts' are 'wrong' they are not 'facts' are they?

I think you doth protest too much
1 mil a year? lol
stop trying to impress 'another piece of ****' on the internet
you are coming across as a douche'

1980's M3 I4
1990's M3 I6
early 2000's I6
late 2000's to date V8
so yes, major design changes

 

yeah i totally wanna impress a buncha people ive never met before who gives a **** how much i make..atleast i made it on my own and without anyones help..you're the one who brought it up..not me...jesus would you rather me out smoking crack being a useless member in society? Next time don't assume I'm some spoiled "21" year old who "makes 1 million a month" are you kidding me? at NO point in my LIFE have I ever claimed nor written i make "1 million a month" ..I'm not getting into this **** again where I have to type out how businesses are ran and the difference between profit and revenue because it seems some of you guys don't understand how it works..if you really need to look..go look at the thread...whatever you smoke man..send me some of that ****..i want some

 

+1

 

I'm not 'Jesus'
you sure talk alot about drugs? are you on them?
you don't need to be on drugs to be useless...and it's not you who will decide if society is better off with you

as far as the 'I make a million' you brought it up in another thread...
a self made man with help from no one? really?
you'ld be the first: doctors who birthed you, parents, teachers, customers/clients, mentors, bankers/loans/investors, suppliers, etc.

'doth' is a 'fancy' word?...'fancy' sounds like a word an 80 year old would use, as in you wear fancy pants sugar britches
do you hate 'old people'? are they lessor than you? can people do anything about their age?
you should try acting yours rather than 12

not 'better' than everyone one else...but I'm thankful I'm 'different' than you

I'd like to say you're young, you'll learn, but with your attitude I'm not so sure

carry on

 

are you drunk old man!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? I told you I didn't sell drugs to make my money...jesus LOL where else did i mention drugs?

I'm done talking to you...you are so far gone..like I said man...send me some of that **** your smoking..it's obviously good.

Keep thinking I had hand outs..keep thinking I'm some spoiled brat..your the kinda people who make me laugh because you stay stuck in the same ****ty *** life because your so worried about what everyone else is doing...look at you man..you ASSUME so much horse **** it makes no sense...Like I said...send me some of that weed you have.

look at you "I'm not jesus"..did i say you were? nope...go back into the hole you came out of troll

 

I don't drink
what is your excuse? paint fumes? power lines? lead paint chips?
again, I'm not 'Jesus', some might find that offensive

I'm obviously not dumb if I can pay for a C63 in full without any loans or leases or my parents or drug money

and numerous other posts...such as above "that **** your smoking" should be you're as in you are...but I digress
fixation with drug abuse it seems
I wouldn't know what 'good' drugs are, since I don;t use them, you sound experienced, well are you (Jimi Hendrix)

you are not 'talking' to me, you are using written communication (poorly) but not speaking...

settle down: there is no you and I, we have no relationship for you to 'stop'

you talk crap about stuff you know zilch about, I call you on it, you get mad...move on and get over it

I accomplished more by 30 that you will...ever...