pcpedroariel

Thanks man. Your rides are pretty awesome too.

vsix

Cool you are sharing your cars with us...I like that :-)

pcpedroariel

Well came back after the journeys

I am exhausted but happy. Turns out the costumer I was going with the M3 was much closer, than I first predicted.

pcpedroariel

Road:

C63 x M3 x RS5

Very different styles, with different performances, the C63 (performance pack or not) just feels much more torquey and quicker to recover or gain speed than the other two. The C63, I am sure pulls away easily. Oddly enough it also has the best fuel consumption.

M3: Cruising at 100mph, found the lack of torque to irritate a bit, as Brazilian roads are quite sloppy, I barely could use 7th gear. The tranny would always leave it on 6th, I barely used 7th, and as the engine is very high revving, and crappy on the lower and mid ranges, it was always near the 4.000rpm, although I barely paid attention to the rpm gauge, as I focused on the road. Fuel consumption is near 21mpg with premium Gasoline 97OCTS. Now in terms of precision this car is fantastic...
The steering follows your command as you do, the MDCT gearbox is nearly as good as the fantastic DSG, STronic, PDK, and better than the MCT. Responses are perfect, it lowers and changes gears at an incredible pace. The suspension is marvellous, so comfortable, yet very stable, this car in terms of chassis is close to perfection. If the steering had a little bit more feel, it would be perfect. The C63 Facelift, though comes pretty close in chassis, while the RS5 still needs improvements... It just misses the engine. It easily has chassis for 600HP. On Brazilian hilly roads, this thing is a beast. No need for DSC sport, as there is very little interference as there is not enough HP and LSD on this car is pretty rough LOL. Loved it, although the C63 is ....

RS5: Cruising at 100mph again, this car does not feel like it lacks torque, it actually feels a lot like a luxury car. Practically 0 connection to the ground, although one thing is for sure it handles fantastically. The RPM is near the 2.900rpm in 7th gear. It is better than the C63 and the M3 under WOT in corners, as it oversteers (I expected it to understeer great surprise), but comes out at much greater speed. The suspension on comfort is pretty good, but nowhere near as good as the M3, and a tad bit behind the C63 at absorbing imperfections. The car is great on corners, not mattering which mode it is in. Steering is precise, but does not feel connected at all, just like the suspension. The gearbox is great, it responds flawlessly and very quickly, it is perfect. I touch the paddle several times quickly to drop to 4th, or just hold until it puts the lowest gear, and it does it incredibly quickly, without any stutters or lag, unlike the C63. The car though to respond need to go to high revs, so it does not have the punchy feel of the C63. Fuel consumption is bordering the 23mpg with premium gas. What I loved were the gadgets. ACC on the road, is great. I put 100mph, and set to medium distance, the car behaved awesomely. It was sensational.

C63: The C63 is well known to us, as a car with a marvellous engine from heavens. The engine makes such a difference. The 6.2 V8, is so much more torquey, and horsepower wise, it is much better than the others. It also makes the difference in the sound as well. WOW. It is quite noticeable on the road, where in the C63 to keep 100mph, you do it in 7th gear, at a mere 2.500rpm. The fuel consumption of these conditions is so good, that it does 24mpg with premium gas as well. Now the suspension, it is very good although a tad bit too firm, it could be softer like the M3. The steering is perfect. Fantastic feel and precision. The chassis is good, and very close to the M3 one, what really holds the car down, is transmission. It is great, very soft, and in S+ shifts quickly, but downshifts and upshifts through the paddles is not perfect, there is 0.3s delay. Although on the road, this is the most fun and quickest car.......


Analysis now in order:
Fastest: C63 - RS5 - M3

Best sound: C63 - M3 - RS5

Most comfortable: M3 - C63 - RS5

Best handling: M3 - C63 and RS5 tied

Best transmission: RS5 - M3 - C63

Best suspension: M3 - C63 - RS5

Best engine: C63 - RS5 - M3

Best feel: C63 - M3 - RS5

Best chassis: M3 - C63 - RS5

Best all weather: RS5 - M3 - C63

Practicality (comparing Coupe versions) : C63 - RS5 - M3 (looking at boot size, and space)

C63: 94/11 = 8.54
M3: 90/11 = 8.2
RS5: 82/11 = 7.5

Until now:

1st place: C63.
2nd place:M3 very close. After engine upgrades, I think it will be better than the C63....
3nd place:RS5, very good, but is more of a luxury car, than a performance car..

pcpedroariel

Thanks man. Now there is a full review to read there...

avery.whss

Get a tune, straight pipes, some larger tires and I'm sure the C63 will be 1st in more Great review though, I'm sure it will be very helpful to many

pcpedroariel

Thanks man

pcpedroariel

Guys which of the three do you prefer?

vsix

Hands down out of these 3.....the C63!

pcpedroariel

Well I had another run with the Audi, on the hilly roads here. Nope it still does not compare to the C63 and M3. Is it fun? Yes, but the M3 and C63 are much more fun.

pcpedroariel

I agree with you. For the time being I prefer the C63

pcpedroariel

BTW I want to change the thread title to RS5 vs C63 vs M3, how can I do it?

pcpedroariel

Another thing

ESP/ ASR On:

RS5 it interferes, but it is careful, and just does it in extreme conditions, and as it has the Quattro traction, it does not make any difference.

C63, it interferes any time you push over 65%. You still slide with it on, but only a bit, before it comes in and snaps the back end.

M3, it interferes as much as the RS5, which means practically nothing, as the car has a large LSD stock, and is not powerful enough like the C63 to trigger it so much.

ESP Sport:

M3 and RS5 no difference, only the Audi begins to oversteer much more, and the M3 now the ESP and TC only come in, when you are about to die.

C63, it makes a lot of difference, the car becomes more tail happy, and it realy begins to slide and make burn outs, with just 30% interference. It slides, but it will still interfere, although not so much.

ESP OFF:

C63/RS5/M3: no more help. You can be in the blink of crashing hard and dying, the car will not do anything.

zibby43

The RS5 is really growing on me but the C63 still occupies the top spot for me.

The E92 M3 interior design is starting to look dated (although the exterior still looks great).

A very fine trio of cars in your stable, pcpedroariel.

E=mC63

Please tell me what setup was on the white C63 exhaust.

Viper98912

Sell the white one and pocket the cash. White RS5, Black C63, and Orange M3, that's about as perfect a combination to have in your garage as it gets.

bhamg

Great read…enjoy the rides!

pcpedroariel

Thanks man.

These three cars are very similar. The difference among them is not so big, and the three are fantastic rides. For the time being with a new C63 coming up, and a M3 already on the market, the RS5 is the sensible choice.

The RS5 though feels much less connected and I prefer the C63.

pcpedroariel

No setup at all, just stock exhaust....

pcpedroariel

Thanks man, I am seriosuly considering selling the white, although I will keep it a bit longer....

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pcpedroariel

Thanks bro, enjoy your rides too...

frcotting

This kind of write-up, coming from an actual owner/enthusiast, is 100x more useful and credible than the typical magazine/auto journalist comparo. Thanks!

pcpedroariel

Thanks man, I hope it helps. I tried to make it the most imparcial, and entertaining, plus easy to understand as I could. I hope it worked...

pcpedroariel

Well guys..

Quick update. It is raining, and as the weather is crap and the beaches full, I decided to go back as I mainly went to pick up my family. Drove the RS5 through hilly roads, on the rain, and wow, it was fantastic. On the rain, the car absolutely changes. You can feel the steering, the suspension, the rear differential for torque vectoring, and yes it oversteers. The wet surface totally changes the car. In these conditions, it is better than the M3 and C63 , as it is not all over the place, although the traction difference is smaller than it seems, and if the M3 or C63 owner know what they are doing, and have *****, they will keep it with it. In the dry, I will be honest, I found it dull, as there is a fine engine, with a great sound, and marvellous transmission, plus awesome carbon ceramic brakes, although the chassis hid all that. It feels a lot like a luxury car in the dry. In a way, that is good, as you set the ACC to 100mph, and forget the world, but then, I bought a car like this to have fun, as I could do the same just as fine in a Audi A6 with a much lower price, and more comfort.

pcpedroariel

Made some updates to comparo based on my latest experience.

Tell me guys, what do you want to know about these cars, and what aspect do you want me to compare next?