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Not faster than M3/M4 in straight line (will definitely be slower on the track)
MCT retained
"An additional manual mode can be accessed via the shift paddles, although the gearbox is programmed to revert back to full automatic operation for improved fuel economy savings"
No 4WD option
On the fence news:
How it looks
Overall, not that exciting a prospect...
How do you know it won't be faster than the M3/4 in a straight line?
The "artificial" sound produced by construction of the exhaust is the same thing technology that is currently used on the CLA45. Mercedes-Benz claims that they are able to simulate the sound of a bigger engine this way.
This is how a manual W205 interior looks like. They only offer manual W205's in Europe though.
That's not an AMG though. Mercedes-Benz made manual transmissions available on W203 C240s but the C320s and C32 and C55 AMGs for that generation all had automatic transmissions.
The "artificial" sound produced by construction of the exhaust is the same thing technology that is currently used on the CLA45. Mercedes-Benz claims that they are able to simulate the sound of a bigger engine this way.
That has always been something I miss on the C63, a proper set of gears to row. Sad to hear they even went a step farther from that and put the gear selector on the steering column. At least in the w204 you can bump the stick if you need to shift and the paddles are not readily accessible. Also sad to hear true manual mode is gone and car will auto shift to save fuel.
2015 AMG C63 with no center console shifter, but a column shifter.... saw this quote somewhere on here... "this is not my grandfathers Chevy
“The best knows no alternative” is Mercedes-Benz C-Class marketing tagline, WELL YOU NEED TO FIND A ALTERNATIVE TO THE NEW CHEAP LOOKING GAUGE CLUSTER AND DESIGN A BETTER WAY TO DISPLAY THE COMMAND CENTER SCREEN
Mercedes blew it with the new 2015 C63... Cheap looking SLK/CLA/GT AMG gauge cluster and the CLA COMMAND CENTER AFTER THOUGHT... ONE MAN ONE ENGINE... I guess one man one Interior designer.
2015 AMG C63<br/>CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE?<br/><br/>The only difference is that you will pay at least $80k with a few options to feel and look like you are driving a $27-$35k CLA 250...... This is just deplorable..
Originally Posted by Dark_Knight
yuck, a case of reinventing the wheel and making something stupid, solving a nonexistent problem
Last edited by silversleeper48; 09-24-2014 at 04:17 PM.
I'm just going off both manufacturers quoted performance times.
BMW claim M3/M4 0-100 at 4.1 seconds
MB claim C63 0-100 at 4.1 seconds (4.0 for C63S)
Speculation about underquoting could be directed at both BMW and MB.
Originally Posted by Bardman
According to MB figures it will be .1 seconds faster 0-100.
Here's the thing though.. The m3 has 1 less liter to tune. So, once tunes are available the C63 is going to be able to pull away from the m3. It wont demolish an m3, but mod for mod a c63 is going to win in a straight race.
As for it only being .1 seconds faster to 100 than a 507... That is essentially a stock w205 beating a tuned w204. From the factory alone that is pretty impressive considering the engine is 2/3's the size.
A lot of hate towards the new C63 here but it is still too soon to tell with this car. No shifter is whatever, you don't use it anyway other than to put the car in P/R/N/D. My biggest complaint is that the back looks like that suzuki kasachi or whatever.
I'm just going off both manufacturers quoted performance times.
BMW claim M3/M4 0-100 at 4.1 seconds
MB claim C63 0-100 at 4.1 seconds (4.0 for C63S)
Speculation about underquoting could be directed at both BMW and MB.
The AMG will be faster than the M
It weighs 5% more
But has 15% more torque
10% more HP
33% more displacement, ~same Cr and boost
The m is not under-rated, it does NOT have 500/500 T/P
It weighs 400 lbs less than the current AMG and is no faster
The m is 2 seconds slower to 150 mph than the current c63
We will know shortly how much faster the AMG is
The track will be closer with a small edge to the M....maybe
The last versions were within seconds at the 'Ring despite a 500+ lb weight advantage and more tire
The e63 is faster than the M in a 3 minute lap
The vette and z28 smoke it by 10 sec lol
The AMG will be faster than the M
It weighs 5% more
But has 15% more torque
10% more HP
33% more displacement, ~same Cr and boost
The m is not under-rated, it does NOT have 500/500 T/P
It weighs 400 lbs less than the current AMG and is no faster
The m is 2 seconds slower to 150 mph than the current c63
We will know shortly how much faster the AMG is
The track will be closer with a small edge to the M....maybe
The last versions were within seconds at the 'Ring despite a 500+ lb weight advantage and more tire
The e63 is faster than the M in a 3 minute lap
The vette and z28 smoke it by 10 sec lol
Not challenging your numbers, but traction and gearing (and shift speeds) are also factors.
No shifter is whatever, you don't use it anyway other than to put the car in P/R/N/D.
I use mine in manual mode constantly, I almost never use the paddles. I guess I miss my manual gear stick... (plus the shifter responds faster/better than the paddles)
Not challenging your numbers, but traction and gearing (and shift speeds) are also factors.
We can assume gearing is optimized for each car
Both mfgs have good engineers and it is a simple task with the resources they have at their disposal
Shift speed is a small factor in a straightline run
What matters more is the programming of the shift, throttle control, torque mngmnt, traction cntl interface, etc
Time isn't as critical as power transition and loss of momentum
I think people will be pleasantly surprised at the amg's performance
Time will tell
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Originally Posted by Bardman
I use mine in manual mode constantly, I almost never use the paddles. I guess I miss my manual gear stick... (plus the shifter responds faster/better than the paddles)
That is purely perception, the paddles and shifter actuate the same components to shift the gears, they are essentially in parallel. sure their might be a few hundredths of a microsecond difference based on electrical atoms moving through the wire, but not enough for you to notice
Anyone yet have info on the "individual" transmission setting? Weird? Doesn't seem possible for MB to let "us" decided on how the car shifts.
And the damn branch on the column..........yuck!!!
This is probably more of a setting you can customize like the Audi's, where you can enable sports exhaust, but soft suspension, stiff steering, etc. Tweak what you want on and off vs Sports+, Comfort, etc.
Not faster than M3/M4 in straight line (will definitely be slower on the track)
MCT retained
"An additional manual mode can be accessed via the shift paddles, although the gearbox is programmed to revert back to full automatic operation for improved fuel economy savings"
No 4WD option
On the fence news:
How it looks
Overall, not that exciting a prospect...
Will be faster then M3/4 regardless of MCT or not but will most likely be slower on the track (who knows)
RWD was/is the fun factor of the W204 c63
AWD go for an audi retarded fast in a straight line
Seeing the wagon looks like there will be CCB as an option.
Actually it will be like the E63. Wagon will only come as S model and sedan in base or S.
Probably options will be similar like carbon fiber exterior package, CF interior, Recaro seats ...
09-24-2014, 01:49 AM
