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Come on Diabolis with this TC bull****. Sure AMG wants it left on, you're driving their cars are you not? Lol
If you can't control your car with TC off its too much of a car for you period. TC is a bandaid to keep you on the road.
I'm not saying TC is completely useless, but to depend on it all the time on a public road, you got problems.
I've had a couple scares on the street but that is something you learn from, you can't learn with nanny TC on all the time.
This is a perfect example of what I am saying. Guy buys m4, drives with TC on all the time, tries to show off a bit and doesnt have a clue how to correct the car as it gradual steps out on him. Practice makes perfect.
People who insist on leaving the TC on likely don't have any car control or track experience operating a car at its or their limit...
I've been told I'm an idiot for kicking the rear out here and there on the street. It wasn't until they came for a ride at the track that they realized how minor it actually was.
Come on Diabolis with this TC bull****. Sure AMG wants it left on, you're driving their cars are you not? Lol
If you can't control your car with TC off its too much of a car for you period. TC is a bandaid to keep you on the road.
I'm not saying TC is completely useless, but to depend on it all the time on a public road, you got problems.
I've had a couple scares on the street but that is something you learn from, you can't learn with nanny TC on all the time.
This is a perfect example of what I am saying. Guy buys m4, drives with TC on all the time, tries to show off a bit and doesnt have a clue how to correct the car as it gradual steps out on him. Practice makes perfect.
The fact that you self admittingly have had "scary moments" indicate you were not in complete control of your car at every moment.
You were able to recover from your mistakes - good for you. Unfortunately, the rest of us weren't born perfect drivers and we've had to learn the hard way. Luckily for us most of our accidents weren't put on YouTube.
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Originally Posted by Merc63
Come on Diabolis with this TC bull****. Sure AMG wants it left on, you're driving their cars are you not? Lol
If you can't control your car with TC off its too much of a car for you period. TC is a bandaid to keep you on the road.
I'm not saying TC is completely useless, but to depend on it all the time on a public road, you got problems.
I've had a couple scares on the street but that is something you learn from, you can't learn with nanny TC on all the time.
This is a perfect example of what I am saying. Guy buys m4, drives with TC on all the time, tries to show off a bit and doesnt have a clue how to correct the car as it gradual steps out on him. Practice makes perfect.
Hi Merc63,
Yes, AMG wants it on because you're driving their cars. I witnesssed someone write off an E63S at the ADA, but I highly doubt it would have hurt any less if it was his own car.
I completely agree that you need to learn how to control the car without the TC. However, *the street* is NOT a place where you want to take the safety nannies off, lest you hit an oil slick or an ice patch where even the best drivers can benefit from a system that is able to brake an indivudual wheel and react in 1/1000th of the time it would take a human to react. Do learn how to drive yoru car with the TC off. Just not on the road that you're goign to share with others. I have had more than just a couple of scares - I've written off cars at the track. Doing it on the street with other people around can mean writing off someone else's life though, which is the ONLY part I take issue with.
You're right about "Guy buys m4, drives with TC on all the time, tries to show off a bit and doesnt have a clue how to correct the car as it gradual steps out on him. Practice makes perfect." But you'd also have to agree that me saying "Guy is an idiot for turning TC off seeing as Guy buys m4, drives with TC on all the time etc. " is also a valid statement. In his case, either the TC or better driving skills could have saved it. In other cases, even the combined benefit of BOTH of those may not be able to recover from one. So - why take the risk and endanger others on a public road? If you are going to gun it where you could hurt someone, at least keep the added safety of the TC on. If you're by yourself on a skid pad or in an empty parking lot, then definitely turn it off an have some fun, and call me as I'd love to join you.
The fact that you self admittingly have had "scary moments" indicate you were not in complete control of your car at every moment.
You were able to recover from your mistakes - good for you. Unfortunately, the rest of us weren't born perfect drivers and we've had to learn the hard way. Luckily for us most of our accidents weren't put on YouTube.
Or "learn" in a proper environment instead of the "hard" way...
Man that sucks that it was caught on tape. This thing is all over the internet.
Im sure many of us has had an accident in our lifetime. Learn and move on.
Kinda douchebaggery about him going to driving school etc to justify the accident. I think if he came out and said hey guys i apologize it was an error. This whole scenario would have gone another direction.
The fact that you self admittingly have had "scary moments" indicate you were not in complete control of your car at every moment.
You were able to recover from your mistakes - good for you. Unfortunately, the rest of us weren't born perfect drivers and we've had to learn the hard way. Luckily for us most of our accidents weren't put on YouTube.
None, not even the best in the world were born "perfect drivers". Sure, some have more "natural talent", but car control is acquired by practice. With the "nannies" turned on you'll never improve on your skills, because they mask any mistake you make and bail you out.
None, not even the best in the world were born "perfect drivers". Sure, some have more "natural talent", but car control is acquired by practice. With the "nannies" turned on you'll never improve on your skills, because they mask any mistake you make and bail you out.
Finally someone with a brain.
I never claimed to be perfect, but years of driving with ESP off have been a great teacher.
sad yet funny in the same sense. Especially after reading the thorough breakdown of the driver's "skills". Nonetheless, no point kicking someone when they are down and he should have just left it as being an error and called it a day instead of going on massive damage control.
I've slammed my foot down from 30mph with ESC/TC off many times in the C63 and it has gotten quite loose but nothing insane or uncontrollable. I am not extremely skilled or gods gift to the driving world but I was able to counter steer and provide corrections as and when needed. Maybe it's because I grew up riding the **** out of sportbikes that is coming in handy but who knows.
I never claimed to be perfect, but years of driving with ESP off have been a great teacher.
Lol ... when I learned how to drive, electronic driver aids didn't exist. I owned some tail happy cars over the years. My CLK is one of them ... even with the nannies turned on, it still allows for a 3 degree slip angle, which for most people is unnerving.
I never claimed to be perfect, but years of driving with ESP off have been a great teacher.
Yet you claim to be able to be able to prevent a crash that you were not involved in.
All I'm saying is the entire car internet community is peeing in this guy's cheerios because he made a mistake. Give him a break! You don't see us talking about that haircut of yours.
Yet you claim to be able to be able to prevent a crash that you were not involved in.
All I'm saying is the entire car internet community is peeing in this guy's cheerios because he made a mistake. Give him a break! You don't see us talking about that haircut of yours.
Not because he made a mistake which can happen to anyone, but perhaps for the fact that he claimed to have years of road course experience with high powered rear wheel drive cars and graduated from several (not just one, lol) formula racing schools with advanced car control. He dug that hole himself
Not because he made a mistake which can happen to anyone, but perhaps for the fact that he claimed to have years of road course experience with high powered rear wheel drive cars and graduated from several (not just one, lol) formula racing schools with advanced car control. He dug that hole himself
My best friend growing up was a native Puerto Rican. He took a Spanish class in high school and got a D in it. I wonder if he drives an M4.
Not because he made a mistake which can happen to anyone, but perhaps for the fact that he claimed to have years of road course experience with high powered rear wheel drive cars and graduated from several (not just one, lol) formula racing schools with advanced car control. He dug that hole himself
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Yeah - it's pretty far-fetched to believe he's had any HPDE training, let alone experence in a formula car. Even at the local PCA and BMW clubs we don't let anyone out on the track (with an instructor) unless they have done the skid-pad training. You need to spin out a few times and demonstrate that you can correct the skid at low speeds before you can even get out on the black stuff. That was a rookie mistake, pure and simple. Sure, it was the 1.5 psi tire pressure difference that caused it, not him...
People who insist on leaving the TC on likely don't have any car control or track experience operating a car at its or their limit...
I've been told I'm an idiot for kicking the rear out here and there on the street. It wasn't until they came for a ride at the track that they realized how minor it actually was.
LOL, your internet ***** is bigger than everyone else's!
Having read this thread from the beginning, and having also just migrated over from the BMW E92 (335i) forum, I am very impressed by something here. You guys can actually spell, put a coherent sentence together, and argue without (for the most part) calling each other tools, douchebags, losers, etc. Good job keeping the bar where it should be.
Ok, now I'm getting intrigued. Having never had a desire to abuse my car at a racetrack, all of this "learn the limits of your car in a controlled environment" chatter has me thinking about getting a little instruction myself. I romped my 507 in a straight line from about 30 the other day and felt it get momentarily squirrely, and that video now has me a bit reluctant to do it again.
I'm in So Cal. What would you folks recommend as a performance driving 101 course for someone with ZERO performance driving experience? I'd prefer to drive someone else's car if possible.
Having read this thread from the beginning, and having also just migrated over from the BMW E92 (335i) forum, I am very impressed by something here. You guys can actually spell, put a coherent sentence together, and argue without (for the most part) calling each other tools, douchebags, losers, etc. Good job keeping the bar where it should be.
Welcome to the benz forums where everyone who wears a helmet and drives around parking cones in an empty lot is an F1 driver.
I recently moved over from the M3post and must admit I miss it sometimes. They tend to have more relevant content and pictures. I wish the C63 platform had as many tuners as the e9x does.
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