2011 C63 to 2014 Viper or 2015 Z06?
03-01-2015, 07:30 AM
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vmx128,
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
03-01-2015, 10:37 AM
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I guess if you're speculating about spending that much of someone else's money, the additional $30k for the AMG GT S (which STARTS at $130k) might seem like small change. Still, an interesting suggestion.
03-01-2015, 10:46 AM
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vmx128,
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
don't start that fanboy ****.
dodge stepped up their game big time with the new viper.
03-01-2015, 10:47 AM
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I don't condone racing but, I've raced a new z06 ..he said he put down just over 500whp but something like 440ft of tq..it sounded pretty insane too..yellow and black it looked mean..anyways i had 2 blown fuel pumps at the time and i pulled away from him pretty good on the highway, ..but then again my cars pretty modified and im sure it's pushing well over 500whp/500tq (haven't had it dyno'd with the newer mods)
Now the E63 and S63 i raced...those cars haul ***.. and the S63 i swear is twice as loud as our cars when it opens up
i've seen a new viper a few times but never heard one, like everyone says youre comparing a sedan/couple (entry level AMG) against chevys most expensive product and dodges most expensive product.
Now the E63 and S63 i raced...those cars haul ***..
and the S63 i swear is twice as loud as our cars when it opens up i've seen a new viper a few times but never heard one, like everyone says youre comparing a sedan/couple (entry level AMG) against chevys most expensive product and dodges most expensive product.
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03-01-2015, 11:00 AM
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Thanks for the great comments. I have always loved the Viper due to its exclusivity. I see more Ferraris and Lamborghinis in SoCal than Vipers. Even beyond the exclusivity, I like the way it looks. I haven't driven one, and until I do that, I won't know if I can live with it. In the end, exclusivity and looks won't mean much if I don't enjoy driving the car.
The reason I am considering a Z06 even though I haven't driven that either is that I know I like supercharged cars. I test drove a CTS-V and a Shelby Cobra (550hp version) and really enjoyed the low end torque and the almost flat torque curve. NA motors are also a lot of fun, but they need to be revved up to feel the power.
I'll test drive these cars at some point in the future and post my opinion here. Until then, I can only speculate. Another car that is quite tempting is the new Porsche Cayman GT4. A lot less power and craziness for similar money, but it may more than make up for that in the overall driving experience.
Maybe I'll just stick with my beautiful C63 with only 8k miles on it and enjoy what I already have for a few more years. I don't need to sell it to buy a Viper or a Z06, but I know I will end up selling to justify the purchase and reduce the financial hit, and that is giving me a reason to pause.
The reason I am considering a Z06 even though I haven't driven that either is that I know I like supercharged cars. I test drove a CTS-V and a Shelby Cobra (550hp version) and really enjoyed the low end torque and the almost flat torque curve. NA motors are also a lot of fun, but they need to be revved up to feel the power.
I'll test drive these cars at some point in the future and post my opinion here. Until then, I can only speculate. Another car that is quite tempting is the new Porsche Cayman GT4. A lot less power and craziness for similar money, but it may more than make up for that in the overall driving experience.
Maybe I'll just stick with my beautiful C63 with only 8k miles on it and enjoy what I already have for a few more years. I don't need to sell it to buy a Viper or a Z06, but I know I will end up selling to justify the purchase and reduce the financial hit, and that is giving me a reason to pause.
i really like the new vette's body style, etc but as others said that viper is a little more rare on the street and is an attention grabbing road monster.
03-01-2015, 11:12 AM
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03-01-2015, 03:10 PM
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03-01-2015, 04:23 PM
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03-01-2015, 05:10 PM
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03-01-2015, 05:14 PM
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Haha, what?
- I cant afford a GT-S/Z06(r1)/Viper
- A two door sports car doesn't fit my needs
- I don't like the way the hellcat charger looks
And the list goes on. But that is about the dumbest counterargument I think I've ever seen here.
And fact, the new viper will go around a track fast than the GT. Stock vs stock of course because I'm sure that was coming next.
- I cant afford a GT-S/Z06(r1)/Viper
- A two door sports car doesn't fit my needs
- I don't like the way the hellcat charger looks
And the list goes on. But that is about the dumbest counterargument I think I've ever seen here.
And fact, the new viper will go around a track fast than the GT. Stock vs stock of course because I'm sure that was coming next.
03-01-2015, 05:25 PM
#39
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Mercedes build quality is way better than any Dodge or Chevy, that is a fact.
I was trying to help the 0P with his decision on a vehicle. I didn't intend to turn this into a *****ing session.
Obviously you believe that the Viper is a better car because of the fact it is faster around a track. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your opinions about cars, so I will end it there.
You can believe whatever you want to believe but that does not make it true 😃
I was trying to help the 0P with his decision on a vehicle. I didn't intend to turn this into a *****ing session.
Obviously you believe that the Viper is a better car because of the fact it is faster around a track. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your opinions about cars, so I will end it there.
You can believe whatever you want to believe but that does not make it true 😃
03-01-2015, 05:46 PM
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Mercedes build quality is way better than any Dodge or Chevy, that is a fact.
I was trying to help the 0P with his decision on a vehicle. I didn't intend to turn this into a *****ing session.
Obviously you believe that the Viper is a better car because of the fact it is faster around a track. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your opinions about cars, so I will end it there.
You can believe whatever you want to believe but that does not make it true ��
I was trying to help the 0P with his decision on a vehicle. I didn't intend to turn this into a *****ing session.
Obviously you believe that the Viper is a better car because of the fact it is faster around a track. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your opinions about cars, so I will end it there.
You can believe whatever you want to believe but that does not make it true ��
However, we are talking about a viper and and z06 here. Two cars that don't compare to a c63 because they have completely different intentions. Same with the GT. The GT is a luxury sports exotic tailored to be fast, but comfortable and tame for road use. The viper and z06 are not, these cars are manufactured with raw performance in mind and less about the trip to the grocery store for bread and milk.
I understand where you say MB comes with quality, but you say its your opinion and then two posts later say its fact. Its all RELATIVE. Modern tech doesn't mean that because MB is quality that Chevy and Dodge aren't.
03-01-2015, 06:30 PM
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And you can't get a 1000 hp out of you mb can you unlike the viper the mb is a nice daily driver but if you want something that is just raw power then you get the viper or the corvette I have a viper I love mine I takes a lot of mine to go fast 7k for heads 12k supercharger 60k+ for a motor build turbos 30k you got to think befor you get a viper there are not a lot of pople that work on them in ca
03-01-2015, 07:49 PM
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I'm all for not turning this into a bad thread.
However, we are talking about a viper and and z06 here. Two cars that don't compare to a c63 because they have completely different intentions. Same with the GT. The GT is a luxury sports exotic tailored to be fast, but comfortable and tame for road use. The viper and z06 are not, these cars are manufactured with raw performance in mind and less about the trip to the grocery store for bread and milk.
I understand where you say MB comes with quality, but you say its your opinion and then two posts later say its fact. Its all RELATIVE. Modern tech doesn't mean that because MB is quality that Chevy and Dodge aren't.
However, we are talking about a viper and and z06 here. Two cars that don't compare to a c63 because they have completely different intentions. Same with the GT. The GT is a luxury sports exotic tailored to be fast, but comfortable and tame for road use. The viper and z06 are not, these cars are manufactured with raw performance in mind and less about the trip to the grocery store for bread and milk.
I understand where you say MB comes with quality, but you say its your opinion and then two posts later say its fact. Its all RELATIVE. Modern tech doesn't mean that because MB is quality that Chevy and Dodge aren't.
No point in discussing this any further if that is what you think.
03-01-2015, 07:54 PM
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No, go sit in your car and scratch the dash. Oh hey, plastic. Now, go drive your car down the road, what's that rattling?
I'm not saying it is the same, but if you think MB is that far beyond what other companies are doing then that is the definition of fanboy-ism.
You're clearly just too brand loyal and close minded to open your eyes to how great some cars are out there outside the MB brand.
03-01-2015, 07:57 PM
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And you can't get a 1000 hp out of you mb can you unlike the viper the mb is a nice daily driver but if you want something that is just raw power then you get the viper or the corvette I have a viper I love mine I takes a lot of mine to go fast 7k for heads 12k supercharger 60k+ for a motor build turbos 30k you got to think befor you get a viper there are not a lot of pople that work on them in ca
I have owned several high horse power Corvettes in my life and was an avid Corvette fan until we bought an SLK55 AMG for my wife back in 2009. After driving and working on the AMG I began to like the Corvette less and less.
I ended up selling it and personally don't ever plan on owning anything but Mercedes from this point on
03-01-2015, 08:01 PM
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Have you even looked into how these cars are made? Everything is along a production line, done by robots. A robot is a robot is a robot. Then you have handbuilt motors in AMG's, but hand built engines aren't exclusive to AMG.
No, go sit in your car and scratch the dash. Oh hey, plastic. Now, go drive your car down the road, what's that rattling?
I'm not saying it is the same, but if you think MB is that far beyond what other companies are doing then that is the definition of fanboy-ism.
You're clearly just too brand loyal and close minded to open your eyes to how great some cars are out there outside the MB brand.
No, go sit in your car and scratch the dash. Oh hey, plastic. Now, go drive your car down the road, what's that rattling?
I'm not saying it is the same, but if you think MB is that far beyond what other companies are doing then that is the definition of fanboy-ism.
You're clearly just too brand loyal and close minded to open your eyes to how great some cars are out there outside the MB brand.
I have had Corvettes torn down in my garage many times performing my own work. The same goes with some of the Mercedes I have owned. There is no comparison, period.
I am done with you, obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about and you can't fix stupid
03-01-2015, 08:46 PM
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I am assuming it is not a daily driver. The question you have to ask yourself is do you want a loud and obnoxious ride? If yes then the viper all the way it will turn more heads than the Z06 for sure.
If it is a daily driver then, Z06 for sure. As for a toy you can't really go wrong with either. I love both cars!!! It's nice to have decisions
If it is a daily driver then, Z06 for sure. As for a toy you can't really go wrong with either. I love both cars!!! It's nice to have decisions
03-01-2015, 09:32 PM
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top gear test track lap times....
1:13.8 – Pagani Huayra
1:14.3 – BAC Mono
1:15.1 – Ariel Atom 500 V8
1:15.8 – Lamborghini Huracan
1:16.2 – McLaren MP4-12C
1:16.5 – Lamborghini Aventador
1:16.8 – Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1:17.1 – Gumpert Apollo S
1:17.3 – Ascari A10
1:17.5 - Mercedes-AMG GT S
1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear Wing)
1:17.7 – Noble M600 (cold)
1:17.8 – Nissan GT-R (2012)
1:17.8 – Pagani Zonda Roadster F
1:17.9 – Caterham Seven Superlight R500 (cold)
1:18.3 – Bugatti Veyron 16.4
1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
1:19.0 – Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SuperVeloce
1:19.0 – Enzo Ferrari
lets be realistic here, that is damn impressive. Yes i know there track is relatively small to some of the big dog tracks but you cant argue this one. The z07 and the new viper wont be faster around the track than a gtr - its awd which is a huge traction advantage on technical tracks. The idea of the GT-S or a second hand SLS arent really bad ideas.
1:13.8 – Pagani Huayra
1:14.3 – BAC Mono
1:15.1 – Ariel Atom 500 V8
1:15.8 – Lamborghini Huracan
1:16.2 – McLaren MP4-12C
1:16.5 – Lamborghini Aventador
1:16.8 – Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1:17.1 – Gumpert Apollo S
1:17.3 – Ascari A10
1:17.5 - Mercedes-AMG GT S
1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear Wing)
1:17.7 – Noble M600 (cold)
1:17.8 – Nissan GT-R (2012)
1:17.8 – Pagani Zonda Roadster F
1:17.9 – Caterham Seven Superlight R500 (cold)
1:18.3 – Bugatti Veyron 16.4
1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
1:19.0 – Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SuperVeloce
1:19.0 – Enzo Ferrari
lets be realistic here, that is damn impressive. Yes i know there track is relatively small to some of the big dog tracks but you cant argue this one. The z07 and the new viper wont be faster around the track than a gtr - its awd which is a huge traction advantage on technical tracks. The idea of the GT-S or a second hand SLS arent really bad ideas.
03-01-2015, 10:45 PM
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I was very impressed with that car around top gear track. But around the ring I bet the viper is way quicker.
03-02-2015, 03:42 AM
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vmx128,
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
Just curious, how much are looking to spend? A Fully loaded Z06 can go for over $106,000.00 and a Viper can go for even more depending on options.
Why not get an AMG GT S? It close to the same money and a Dodge and Chevy can't compare to a Mercedes IMHO
Good luck with your decision and let us know what you get
I thought about the AMG GT S, but it is nowhere near my price range. I believe it will be well over $140k with the options I would want, and even the GT will be north of $110k with a few must have options.
I bought my 2011 brand new in mid 2012 (it was a leftover car from 2011), so I haven't owned it as long as some 2011s here. Even then, 8k or so miles in 32 months of ownership is a shame. I really need to drive the car more!
03-02-2015, 09:16 AM
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Check to see if your company has GM supplier discounts you might want to check the pricing on the Z06. I'm seeing $7k-10k discount for me. Chrysler doesn't have anything similar for the Viper that I'm aware of though. I'd still get a Viper, but at that discounted price for Z06 it is extremely tempting.
I saw the Top Gear lap time for the GT S and was wondering how it did at Laguna Seca when they were testing it there. That's really the only track that I know both the Viper (set lap record until the Porsche 918 came around) and the GT S have been. I would guess the GT S was slower, otherwise we would have heard about it. That's just my guess though.
Either way the GT S is priced in a different league so it's irrelevant.
To be fair on the build quality discussions, it's nice that AMG engines are hand built, but the Viper is a hand built car. Not just the engine. Whether that translates to better quality or not is debatable though.
I saw the Top Gear lap time for the GT S and was wondering how it did at Laguna Seca when they were testing it there. That's really the only track that I know both the Viper (set lap record until the Porsche 918 came around) and the GT S have been. I would guess the GT S was slower, otherwise we would have heard about it. That's just my guess though.
Either way the GT S is priced in a different league so it's irrelevant.
To be fair on the build quality discussions, it's nice that AMG engines are hand built, but the Viper is a hand built car. Not just the engine. Whether that translates to better quality or not is debatable though.
