Surge

I had the opportunity to compare the interiors of all 3. Note that I didn't drive the M4 or the RC F, but I thought a comparison of just the interiors would be useful. After all, we spend most of our time in the inside of our cars.

RC F
I am a Japanese car fan. I had a Lexus immediately before getting my C63. But honestly I cannot dislike the RC F more. You'd have to be a moron to buy one. It's more expensive than either car, the grill looks hideous, and it's embarassingly heavy. Embarrassing, because with the LFA experience, Lexus should have used some CF other than on the dash.

- rear seats don't fold
- rear legroom basically nonexistent
- plastic and Alcantara feels cheaper than both cars

Overall the interior just feels rushed and not that special.

M4
Nicer than Lexus but considerably below the C63 in some key areas.
- the leather upper dash is nice but they botched it by not extending the leather all the way along the center console.
- compare the door pulls for the front. Where your hand goes to close the door. It just feels plain cheap on the M4. Compare to the C63 and you'll see what I mean.
- rear seat cushions- try to lift the cushion - you'll see that on the M4 you can basically lift the whole rear seat cushion an inch or more. Quite cheap, in my oopinion!
- front seats on the M rock back and forth far too much. My Lotus Elise does that and it's annoying- under braking you rock forward, and under acceleration you rock back. Every single new bmw 2 and 3 series I've tried do this.

rentzington

Your notes on the rcf sounds almost exactly like what Jeremy clarkson said on top gear, basically it's a huge let down because you know Lexus can do better

edisonwu

I think you picked the right car. Congrats

solekeeper

rc-f vs stock c63, which wins? let's keep this answer short...

looney100

The RC-F doesn't perform. Lexus has even said that performance wasn't a priority because their buyers aren't looking for performance.

Surge

Lexus said "driving pleasure" was the aim, not outright performance. Probably because they realized the bloated car would never outperform its rivals.
I would argue that even driving pleasure suffers from an overweight chassis.

abcut973

Just drove the RC-F this afternoon. That is a damn good daily driver!!! lol!
Nice interior, bucket seat are comfy, CF trim, lots of tech, comfy suspension.
Performance wise it feels heavy, lacks torque, the V8 is quieter than the C63. The only good was the transmission.

zibby43

Sounds right to me! Your observations certainly echo those made by some of the top auto journalists (including Chris Harris).

The F8X M3/M4 and W205 C63/C63 S took massive leaps in their newest generations: both platforms 1) went the forced induction route, 2) lost weight, 3) improved their transmissions, 4) sharpened handling dynamics, 5) improved fuel economy, etc.

LakeShow23

Couldn't agree more! Well said, these two cars are the top choices for their class.

PaulE550

Yeah, when I was looking for an upgrade to my existing Lexus, that was pretty much the message I got. They're not trying to compete in the performance space anymore. They think all their potential customers just want a car that "looks sporty" and is comfortable to drive. So obviously I didn't buy another Lexus. :-)

Surge

One of the best comparisons of the M4 and C63. Worth a read, especially the summary!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/297611/b...g-edition-507/

Some quotes:

otakki

I don't remember the exact number, but it was surprising to see so many orders were placed in Japan for the RC-F when it first came out last year. It's especially so when the RC-F was priced higher than the base GT-R.

Well, it's a strange country with different priorties over there in Japan. After all, the speed limit on the highway in Japan (all of which are ultra well maintained and smooth) is only like 70km/hr, not the best speed for fuel economy.

Surge

People (myself included) had high hopes for the RC F. That's probably why there were so many orders. I wonder how many cancelled their orders when they learned of the disappointing dynamics.

The RC F was supposed to be the affordable LFA, and the only true F model in the lineup, as well as the successor to the skunkworks developed well regarded IS F.

Sadly, it's none of that. Its chassis is cobbled together from existing platforms in the corp lineup. The engine is from a Lexus LS hybrid...

papashango

Threads like this make me realize how lucky we are to have the privilege to own and drive this truly amazing cars on daily basis and makes me wonder why sometimes I think about changing it. Although I would love a 507 cause of the hood! lol

otakki

I wonder if any of those in Japan who ordered and kept the RCF would be so misinformed to actually pick a fight on a base GTR at the stoplight.

ZephyrAMG

The exhaust tips are the faux quads. The rear looks like an Infiniti. The front has way too many gills. On the other hand the C63 interior is looking pretty outdated

VividRacing

The RC-F is nice, but I think the M4 and the 507 outclass it. Not worth the money.

Surge

Someone in a C250 tried to race me at a stoplight yesterday?!

CPD SLK

Lexuses are just dumb. I remember when the W204 C63 first came out...and someone did a test of that, the M3 and the ISF...the ISF had a huge failure (the tranny or diff or something exploded on the track)...Even LEXUS salesmen are like "it's a chick's car..." Might as well come with a tampon in the first aid kit like the G35s use to...although a tampon can be used in a pinch to stop bleeding from a bullet hole haha (not the best option but it is one)...just if ***** goes down..man I had a lot of coffee today!

abcut973

Soon enough it will be the C450 that will try to race you at a stoplight!!

rentzington

No contest that c450 will blow everyone away