c63 507 vs M4 vs RC F
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c63 507 vs M4 vs RC F
I had the opportunity to compare the interiors of all 3. Note that I didn't drive the M4 or the RC F, but I thought a comparison of just the interiors would be useful. After all, we spend most of our time in the inside of our cars.
RC F
I am a Japanese car fan. I had a Lexus immediately before getting my C63. But honestly I cannot dislike the RC F more. You'd have to be a moron to buy one. It's more expensive than either car, the grill looks hideous, and it's embarassingly heavy. Embarrassing, because with the LFA experience, Lexus should have used some CF other than on the dash.
- rear seats don't fold
- rear legroom basically nonexistent
- plastic and Alcantara feels cheaper than both cars
Overall the interior just feels rushed and not that special.
M4
Nicer than Lexus but considerably below the C63 in some key areas.
- the leather upper dash is nice but they botched it by not extending the leather all the way along the center console.
- compare the door pulls for the front. Where your hand goes to close the door. It just feels plain cheap on the M4. Compare to the C63 and you'll see what I mean.
- rear seat cushions- try to lift the cushion - you'll see that on the M4 you can basically lift the whole rear seat cushion an inch or more. Quite cheap, in my oopinion!
- front seats on the M rock back and forth far too much. My Lotus Elise does that and it's annoying- under braking you rock forward, and under acceleration you rock back. Every single new bmw 2 and 3 series I've tried do this.
RC F
I am a Japanese car fan. I had a Lexus immediately before getting my C63. But honestly I cannot dislike the RC F more. You'd have to be a moron to buy one. It's more expensive than either car, the grill looks hideous, and it's embarassingly heavy. Embarrassing, because with the LFA experience, Lexus should have used some CF other than on the dash.
- rear seats don't fold
- rear legroom basically nonexistent
- plastic and Alcantara feels cheaper than both cars
Overall the interior just feels rushed and not that special.
M4
Nicer than Lexus but considerably below the C63 in some key areas.
- the leather upper dash is nice but they botched it by not extending the leather all the way along the center console.
- compare the door pulls for the front. Where your hand goes to close the door. It just feels plain cheap on the M4. Compare to the C63 and you'll see what I mean.
- rear seat cushions- try to lift the cushion - you'll see that on the M4 you can basically lift the whole rear seat cushion an inch or more. Quite cheap, in my oopinion!
- front seats on the M rock back and forth far too much. My Lotus Elise does that and it's annoying- under braking you rock forward, and under acceleration you rock back. Every single new bmw 2 and 3 series I've tried do this.
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Lexus said "driving pleasure" was the aim, not outright performance. Probably because they realized the bloated car would never outperform its rivals.
I would argue that even driving pleasure suffers from an overweight chassis.
I would argue that even driving pleasure suffers from an overweight chassis.
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Just drove the RC-F this afternoon. That is a damn good daily driver!!! lol!
Nice interior, bucket seat are comfy, CF trim, lots of tech, comfy suspension.
Performance wise it feels heavy, lacks torque, the V8 is quieter than the C63. The only good was the transmission.
Nice interior, bucket seat are comfy, CF trim, lots of tech, comfy suspension.
Performance wise it feels heavy, lacks torque, the V8 is quieter than the C63. The only good was the transmission.
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Just drove the RC-F this afternoon. That is a damn good daily driver!!! lol!
Nice interior, bucket seat are comfy, CF trim, lots of tech, comfy suspension.
Performance wise it feels heavy, lacks torque, the V8 is quieter than the C63. The only good was the transmission.
Nice interior, bucket seat are comfy, CF trim, lots of tech, comfy suspension.
Performance wise it feels heavy, lacks torque, the V8 is quieter than the C63. The only good was the transmission.
The F8X M3/M4 and W205 C63/C63 S took massive leaps in their newest generations: both platforms 1) went the forced induction route, 2) lost weight, 3) improved their transmissions, 4) sharpened handling dynamics, 5) improved fuel economy, etc.
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Sounds right to me! Your observations certainly echo those made by some of the top auto journalists (including Chris Harris).
The F8X M3/M4 and W205 C63/C63 S took massive leaps in their newest generations: both platforms 1) went the forced induction route, 2) lost weight, 3) improved their transmissions, 4) sharpened handling dynamics, 5) improved fuel economy, etc.
The F8X M3/M4 and W205 C63/C63 S took massive leaps in their newest generations: both platforms 1) went the forced induction route, 2) lost weight, 3) improved their transmissions, 4) sharpened handling dynamics, 5) improved fuel economy, etc.
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Yeah, when I was looking for an upgrade to my existing Lexus, that was pretty much the message I got. They're not trying to compete in the performance space anymore. They think all their potential customers just want a car that "looks sporty" and is comfortable to drive. So obviously I didn't buy another Lexus. :-)
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One of the best comparisons of the M4 and C63. Worth a read, especially the summary!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/297611/b...g-edition-507/
Some quotes:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/297611/b...g-edition-507/
Some quotes:
Where the M4 feels like a faster, larger version of the M235i, the C63 AMG Edition 507 is like a cut-price mini-supercar.
Every tester walked away from it enamoured by just how special it makes you feel
Every tester walked away from it enamoured by just how special it makes you feel
Where the BMW M4 is admired, the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Edition 507 is adored.
The BMW M4 is technically the better car, and it did indeed whip its cloak off and near-triple its original freeway fuel consumption. Compared with its older rival, it is just as fast but more efficient, has a better transmission, far more premium cabin, extra technology, superior ride comfort, it is quicker through bends and, subjectively, looks tougher.
Yet in this company it is lacking the connection and character that separates the good from truly great sports cars.
Yet in this company it is lacking the connection and character that separates the good from truly great sports cars.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
I don't remember the exact number, but it was surprising to see so many orders were placed in Japan for the RC-F when it first came out last year. It's especially so when the RC-F was priced higher than the base GT-R.
Well, it's a strange country with different priorties over there in Japan. After all, the speed limit on the highway in Japan (all of which are ultra well maintained and smooth) is only like 70km/hr, not the best speed for fuel economy.
Well, it's a strange country with different priorties over there in Japan. After all, the speed limit on the highway in Japan (all of which are ultra well maintained and smooth) is only like 70km/hr, not the best speed for fuel economy.
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People (myself included) had high hopes for the RC F. That's probably why there were so many orders. I wonder how many cancelled their orders when they learned of the disappointing dynamics.
The RC F was supposed to be the affordable LFA, and the only true F model in the lineup, as well as the successor to the skunkworks developed well regarded IS F.
Sadly, it's none of that. Its chassis is cobbled together from existing platforms in the corp lineup. The engine is from a Lexus LS hybrid...
The RC F was supposed to be the affordable LFA, and the only true F model in the lineup, as well as the successor to the skunkworks developed well regarded IS F.
Sadly, it's none of that. Its chassis is cobbled together from existing platforms in the corp lineup. The engine is from a Lexus LS hybrid...
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This and that.
Threads like this make me realize how lucky we are to have the privilege to own and drive this truly amazing cars on daily basis and makes me wonder why sometimes I think about changing it. Although I would love a 507 cause of the hood! lol
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
I wonder if any of those in Japan who ordered and kept the RCF would be so misinformed to actually pick a fight on a base GTR at the stoplight.
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The exhaust tips are the faux quads. The rear looks like an Infiniti. The front has way too many gills. On the other hand the C63 interior is looking pretty outdated
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Lexuses are just dumb. I remember when the W204 C63 first came out...and someone did a test of that, the M3 and the ISF...the ISF had a huge failure (the tranny or diff or something exploded on the track)...Even LEXUS salesmen are like "it's a chick's car..." Might as well come with a tampon in the first aid kit like the G35s use to...although a tampon can be used in a pinch to stop bleeding from a bullet hole haha (not the best option but it is one)...just if ***** goes down..man I had a lot of coffee today!
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