Any handgun owners here?
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Its funny. We discussed the topic in a self defense class that my wife and I attended at the sheriff's dept awhile back. Each deputy had their own opinion on whether you mention that a weapon is in the car during a traffic stop. Some said they like the idea and some said they rather it not come up
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Its funny. We discussed the topic in a self defense class that my wife and I attended at the sheriff's dept awhile back. Each deputy had their own opinion on whether you mention that a weapon is in the car during a traffic stop. Some said they like the idea and some said they rather it not come up
Heavily debated topic. Arguments on both sides.
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Just live in the UK where nobody is allowed to carry a gun
Yes we have gun crime but nothing on the scale of the U.S.
There are some states that have more gun crimes in a week than the UK has in an entire year !!!
Yes we have gun crime but nothing on the scale of the U.S.
There are some states that have more gun crimes in a week than the UK has in an entire year !!!
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You ever see the video where the cops were being *******s and all the guy wanted to do is inform them he had a legal weapon? The cops literally weren't letting him get a word out, and long story short, freaked out when they found out he had a gun on him.
Heavily debated topic. Arguments on both sides.
Heavily debated topic. Arguments on both sides.
Yeah, because your violent crime is so much better amirite? I prefer to have the upper hand, or at least be on a level playing field with the criminals in my country.
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as a police officer friend of mine told me once, if you could wave a wand and have every firearm in the world disappear that would be the perfect scenario but it just isn't possible.
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Similar statistics, different weapon
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Not only are there more per capita knife attacks in the UK 0.0021 vs the US 0.0011, but there are also more knife attacks per capita in the UK than gun attacks in the US 0.00062.
As far a violent crime For 2010 in the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.
I don't always carry, but when I do I keep my .38 on my hip since I live in an open carry state.
As far a violent crime For 2010 in the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.
I don't always carry, but when I do I keep my .38 on my hip since I live in an open carry state.
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Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be harmed by your handgun ownership than you are to effectively use it in self defence.
In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
If you want a gun for hunting, collecting, target practice, or any other sport, go for it. But believing that you, your family, or society as a whole are somehow safer for owning handguns is just not supported by any empirical evidence.
I'm not opposed to legal gun ownership, (aside from the fact that it provides ample supply of guns to become illegally owned one day) I just think that one should make the call based on a reasoned evaluation of the risks and benefits.
In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
If you want a gun for hunting, collecting, target practice, or any other sport, go for it. But believing that you, your family, or society as a whole are somehow safer for owning handguns is just not supported by any empirical evidence.
I'm not opposed to legal gun ownership, (aside from the fact that it provides ample supply of guns to become illegally owned one day) I just think that one should make the call based on a reasoned evaluation of the risks and benefits.
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Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be harmed by your handgun ownership than you are to effectively use it in self defence.
In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
If you want a gun for hunting, collecting, target practice, or any other sport, go for it. But believing that you, your family, or society as a whole are somehow safer for owning handguns is just not supported by any empirical evidence.
I'm not opposed to legal gun ownership, (aside from the fact that it provides ample supply of guns to become illegally owned one day) I just think that one should make the call based on a reasoned evaluation of the risks and benefits.
In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
If you want a gun for hunting, collecting, target practice, or any other sport, go for it. But believing that you, your family, or society as a whole are somehow safer for owning handguns is just not supported by any empirical evidence.
I'm not opposed to legal gun ownership, (aside from the fact that it provides ample supply of guns to become illegally owned one day) I just think that one should make the call based on a reasoned evaluation of the risks and benefits.
I believe the OP was asking for opinions on storing a firearm in his vehicle not statistics and lectures on why he shouldnt have one in his car.
There are going to be idiots when it comes to anything, just look at the drunk driving numbers out there or people texting while driving.
I am a firm believer that you should become educated in anything that could be dangerous that you do and or own. Such as driving a high powered machine safely and not losing control on a road trying to drag race. And with firearms and keeping them safely out of children's reach and not escalating an argument by waving a gun around
Use of lethal force should be the last option and not the first and in fact you would have to prove you had a legitimate threat on your life in most states (unless you are a white male and then its ok....kidding!)
In many instances avoidance is the best defense mechanism you can have
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I have been looking at some that do not require drilling or permanent mount and came across www.gumcreekcustoms.com today. I went ahead and ordered it. If anyone is interested I will post pics when it comes in.
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This thread is now 37 posts deep, and has obviously strayed from the original question. I was replying to the four prior posts that dealt with statistics.
I completely agree with you that avoidance is the best mechanism. Unfortunately, I've had several discussions with colleagues that own and carry guns - some former military - and several admit to the feeling of power and fearlessness that they have when carrying. Unfortunately, this feeling doesn't encourage 'avoidance'.
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I also agree that this is an even greater problem. I recently provided some even stronger opinions on an earlier thread dealing with in-car cell-phone mounts.
I would argue that an in-car cell mount is much more dangerous than an in-car holster.
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If so, how do you carry in your car? I have been carrying my Sig in the door pocket but if I was to ever need it in a hurry, it would be quite cumbersome.
I have been looking at some that do not require drilling or permanent mount and came across www.gumcreekcustoms.com today. I went ahead and ordered it. If anyone is interested I will post pics when it comes in.
LOL..No I do not live in a high crime area and no I am not paranoid but I do believe in being prepared
I have been looking at some that do not require drilling or permanent mount and came across www.gumcreekcustoms.com today. I went ahead and ordered it. If anyone is interested I will post pics when it comes in.
LOL..No I do not live in a high crime area and no I am not paranoid but I do believe in being prepared
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Another option for OP. I have a few of their kydex holsters and they are very high quality.
http://www.cooksholsters.com/flat-back-holster/
http://www.cooksholsters.com/flat-back-holster/
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Why so many replies to this thread from people that don't own a firearm and therefore cannot offer any sound advise to the OP? Instead of derailing the thread, and if you must reply to every thread, why not just say "sorry I can't offer any advice since I don't own a firearm".
OP, crossbreed holsters have some modular style holsters. Basically it's a kydex shell riveted to a flat backing with a few different ram mount style mounts
OP, crossbreed holsters have some modular style holsters. Basically it's a kydex shell riveted to a flat backing with a few different ram mount style mounts
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All the gun crimes you see in the U.S. are 99% from people who should not legally be carrying a gun (felons) or from illegal guns (no serial number). There's a large black market here in the U.S. for illegal guns just as there are black markets around the world for drugs, etc. Therefore the good (law abiding citizens) are allowed to carry guns to protect themselves, property and family from those that should not be carrying.
FWIW in OH we with CCPs have the duty to immediately inform the officer that we are carrying if we are carrying. Most of the time it's "keep both hands on the wheel" and they don't care.
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I am a firm believer that you should become educated in anything that could be dangerous that you do and or own. Such as driving a high powered machine safely and not losing control on a road trying to drag race. And with firearms and keeping them safely out of children's reach and not escalating an argument by waving a gun around driving a high powered machine safely and not losing control on a road trying to drag race.
Use of lethal force should be the last option and not the first and in fact you would have to prove you had a legitimate threat on your life in most states (unless you are a white male and then its ok....kidding!)
In many instances avoidance is the best defense mechanism you can have
Owning and carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. I am also a firm believer that your weapon is not to be shown in such situations without intending to use.
But yes, this thread was not intended for a conceal carry debate as no one has an example they can provide that will change my mind on whether it is a good idea or not.
Just wanted to know what other car mounts or holsters were available
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I couldn't agree more.
Owning and carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. I am also a firm believer that your weapon is not to be shown in such situations without intending to use.
But yes, this thread was not intended for a conceal carry debate as no one has an example they can provide that will change my mind on whether it is a good idea or not.
Just wanted to know what other car mounts or holsters were available
Owning and carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. I am also a firm believer that your weapon is not to be shown in such situations without intending to use.
But yes, this thread was not intended for a conceal carry debate as no one has an example they can provide that will change my mind on whether it is a good idea or not.
Just wanted to know what other car mounts or holsters were available
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Lately I have stuck it between the seat and console which is fine, but I am worried that it could leave interior blemishes over time
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Holy Crap ! I guess if they make it enough of a pain no one will want one.
I can't imagine going through all of that.
I've been into firearms, cars and motorcycles for many years.
In my neighborhood, if you can call it that, most every landowner has their own personnel range. I can get out to 450 yds on mine and have two motorized wireless trap throwers to practice clays.
3-4 days each week there is someone shooting and over then next hill someone is often firing full auto.
Then again, my county is the 4th heaviest armed in the US.
God Bless !!
I can't imagine going through all of that.
I've been into firearms, cars and motorcycles for many years.
In my neighborhood, if you can call it that, most every landowner has their own personnel range. I can get out to 450 yds on mine and have two motorized wireless trap throwers to practice clays.
3-4 days each week there is someone shooting and over then next hill someone is often firing full auto.
Then again, my county is the 4th heaviest armed in the US.
God Bless !!
I must point out that it is illegal in Canada to use a handgun outside a shooting range. So I couldn't shoot targets on my own backyard even if it was 10miles deep.
I am a former military and have a Texan spirit. I gained my Cross Rifles badge (85+% on three different occasion) while in military college and I love target shooting. I am glad I can have access to guns even if it's a lot of work for us canadians. Thankfully, I live in a city that is pretty close to be safest in the world. The gun is just for practice and never in my life have I felt the need to carry a gun.
To keep the subject on topic, I'd keep a small gun in the space on the bottom of the door or the arm rest in the enter console. I doubt any thing remotely big would fit there anyway.
God bless all my american friends!
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I carry concealed (I am a firearms enthusiast/competitive target shooter) and the fact that I do carry saved my life and the life of girl I was dating at the time.
The knife-wielding attacker bugged out as soon as I drew down on him. The suspect was apprehended shortly after I provided the police a description.
When seconds counted, the police were only minutes away.
In fact, there was no one around. It was just me, my girl, and a knife-wielding attacker. He approached us quickly while asking if we had a phone he could borrow. I told him to stop as he approached. His hands were in the front pocket of his hooded sweatshirt. I told him I'd let him into my building so he could use the phone at the security desk but he kept turning down this offer (which is when I knew things were about to go south).
I hope I never have to draw my pistol again, and if I do, I pray that I won't have to use it but I will be prepared; I could not live with myself if I merely stood idly by while my friends or loved ones were being threatened with deadly force.
To the OP: Have you seen the under-seat mounting options? There are also under-the-glovebox mounting options (if you can reach that area quickly/easily). I'll find some links.
The knife-wielding attacker bugged out as soon as I drew down on him. The suspect was apprehended shortly after I provided the police a description.
When seconds counted, the police were only minutes away.
In fact, there was no one around. It was just me, my girl, and a knife-wielding attacker. He approached us quickly while asking if we had a phone he could borrow. I told him to stop as he approached. His hands were in the front pocket of his hooded sweatshirt. I told him I'd let him into my building so he could use the phone at the security desk but he kept turning down this offer (which is when I knew things were about to go south).
I hope I never have to draw my pistol again, and if I do, I pray that I won't have to use it but I will be prepared; I could not live with myself if I merely stood idly by while my friends or loved ones were being threatened with deadly force.
To the OP: Have you seen the under-seat mounting options? There are also under-the-glovebox mounting options (if you can reach that area quickly/easily). I'll find some links.
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