Slightly off subject but just seen film footage on the news in the UK of a cop shooting 8 rounds at a guy who was running away from him, killing him and then dropping his taser next to the body after radioing in that the perp had taken his taser from him.

Good to see he was charged with murder. Thing is if it wasn't for the footage nobody would ever have known. To top it all the original offence was being stopped for having a tail light out on his car !!

Like they say, guns don't kill people. People kill people.

 

oh yeah! 38 special baby

 

Oh yeah driving car's like we have u better have a weapon ,,, CLS's have tons of place's to put my "Best Friend" been caring for Years , sig's & HK's .... All u get is attention and sometimes from the "wrong People Too"

 

The link I posted has the ability to have industry strength hook and loop velcro used to attach. I wouldn't want to be drilling into my interior either...

 

It drive me insane when people are so naive to the criminal minds and what they can do. Either that dude lives under a rock or a dream word. Maybe he lives under a rock in a dream word? Either way this is a case where ignorance isn't bliss. Always be prepared

-3%er

 

ive had a knife pulled on me easily 10+ times leaving the club, just homeless idiots wanting their next fix... met a ton of drug dealers who are idiots with guns...one thing i've learned is..if someones going to ruin you, they'll do it within 30 seconds, Gun or not, if their serious..you'll be dead or f'ed up in <30 seconds, the rest of the time it's a intimidation factor to scare you,

Infact the best thing to do is encourage them, challenge them, Dare them, why? it makes them think. Everytime i've had a knife pulled on me i've told them to get it done and over with and everytime they've walked away

it aint fun stabbing/shooting someone thats calling your bluff, it's like hunting a deer, if a deer came right upto the front of your gun and said "Shoot me" you'd most likely think "Well this is boring and no fun" the human mind works on the same dynamic ..which is why during mass shootings, the runners ALWAYS get shot, because it's in our DNA to automaticly do that if a weapon is in our hands, and depending on your state of mind and situation it may or may not be a good thing

You wanna be prepared? Then know how to control your adrenaline not a hand gun

plus, who says youre a good shot? or they are? Just because someones 5 feet infront of you doesn't mean they can hit you, i've been to tons of firing ranges and people who OWN guns don't even have the best of accuracy

 

That's why the people who actually carry or own a handgun to protect themselves and loved ones, such as myself, actually practice as much as we can.

Me and my buddies, when we go to the range (outdoor) we set up targets, we set up drills, and we practice. We practice with earnest so that when we have to pull a gun (thankfully i've never been in that position and truly hope I never ever have to), we are prepared to properly and safely engage a target, and put him down quickly and efficiently from anything under 25 yards.

It's up to the gun owner whether they want to be ready or not. As much as I enjoy shooting, if it were possible that no one have guns, I am in favor of that. Realistically though, people who think making laws banning guns is going to help is only helping give more power to those that are acquiring their weapons illegally anyway and making it harder for those of us who legally go through everything to have the gun for safety and sport, not for crime and fear.

At the end of the day, like many LEGAL gun owners on here and in the rest of the world, I own a gun for sport and protection against those who do me harm, not to intentionally cause harm.

 

Seems like there are plenty of 2A supporters here.

Fellow XD 9mm owner here. Can't carry it anywhere though thanks to the dumb California laws.

 

I dont know if this is intended towards me but this "be prepared" logic is so stupid. Just wait till someone or you screw up. This is coming from someone who has lost a very close person due to the fact that someone like "you" who chose to "be prepared" acted like a smart ***. I dont want to bring up the details of what and why happened but you very well know statistically that guns mess up situations more than avoid them.
If someone approaches you with a gun when you are sitting in your car, you are definitely going to get shot if you reach out for that gun but the chances are minimal if you give up your belongings and take the hit. Unless if someone comes after you because you messed up in business or due to a family feud, you are going to get shot anyways.
All those saying that they want to one-up or be on par with the criminals dont have a clue what they are talking about.

 

buh buh buh...

First thing, just because people own a gun it doesn't mean they know how to use it, yes, we all agree. Such as those individuals who shoot sideways launching the gun forward with each shot with their head down in one direction and arm up in the air. Whatever. I'm just going to assume that those who carry here at least have decent fundamentals and are going to hit things while they control their adrenaline should a situation arise.

As for having a knife pulled on you 10+ times. I don't even know where to begin here... My first assumption with that whole paragraph is that because you were in the club you were drinking. And because you were drinking you had it in you to tell said knife wielders to just get it over with or walk away. Because, as mentioned, I call BS if you are sober and yelling at a guy with a knife to stab you. Let's just say, if I was hunting a deer and one walked right up to me I'd shoot it. That's all it takes, one person to call your bluff and insert cold hard steal into your organs multiple times, maybe your gf too, or friends your with.. While you lay on the cold pavement coughing up blood that leaves your muscles useless, he takes all your valuables and vanishes into the darkness as a sense of hopelessness and death becomes reality. Suddenly darkness consumes your peripherals and you cant fight it off. Lastly, the darkness takes over your sight and your dead. So, unless you're hammered, I'm not buying it.

ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON TO DO THAT TO YOU.

As for <30 seconds... I could disassemble and assemble a machine gun in roughly 40-45 seconds. 30 seconds is a lifetime. If someone wants you dead it is going to happen in less than 5. However, I don't CC for that situation because, as mentioned, if they want me dead then I'm dead.

CC works if you see a mother being carjacked with her babies in the car. CC works if you see a store clerk being held at gunpoint over the $50 in the cash register.

***CC works when you see a homeless person looking for their next fix with a knife up against an innocent person who is leaving the club with their friends after having a great night***

People who kill for the "fun" of it, or that whole deer hunting reference, are what we call serial killers. Sick, sadistic, messed up people. Killing is not fun. However, sometimes it is the only answer and necessary. That homeless guy that your daring to stab you isn't going to say to himself
"well gee willickers, you just took the fun out of it for me, boo hoo sir, boo..hoo." No, he's going to say "Oh, alright, thanks for allowing me to stab you and take your money... I'll shoot up to your memory."

Fukin had a knife pulled on you "easily" 10+ times and walk around like nothing happened....

 

Everyone, QWKSNAKE is just another Andy MHP alias

 

i wish i was lying but im not ..this is over a course is 7-8 years..not all in 1 year, but the clubs i did use to goto were/are super dirty, a few drive by shootings, buncha people got stabbed with broken bottles etc..it isn't exactly the nicest area or group of people, i knew someone who was a bouncer and is in jail right now for murder because he 1 punched a kid who was getting lippy. my friends have had similar situations happen to them, it isn't uncommon where i live

and probably the reason i never had anything happen is because i just pull out my card holder and show them im not carrying anything..whats the point of just randomly stabbing someone who hasn't gotten angry with you or has nothing you can steal? i never yelled at them..i would just simply say something along the lines "Do it or walk away" ..that simple, ..all my friends have been there with me when it's happen..i wish i was making this up but i dont live in the nicest part of canada lol ..i mean like you said..either they're going to do it or not in 5-10 seconds..atleast (canadian criminals are nicer i guess) when you call them out that gains you more time - i wish i could take apart a gun in 30-40 seconds

probably 3-4 months ago now me and my friend were coming out of subway at 2-3am and some guy rolls up with a hammer and is telling me to give him a ride or else..well..i just got in my car and drove away, what else is he gonna do? it's a 50/50 chance he attacks us no matter what i did/do

Maybe it's the heart surgeries ive had that have given me the i dont really care about dying attitude, i just have learned to call most peoples bluff and dont panic

 

This is so true. A responsible gun owner who carries is at the gun range practicing a lot not only with shooting but also proper holding techiques

 

Damn dude, you need to find a new club haha

But yeah, different ball game between canada and the states as well.

 

Haha how many accounts does this dude have?

This one from Aug 2012. The KillaC from Dec 2014. What else

 

agree'd 100% ..way more hard core in USA ive read and i just need to find a new country ...they just implemented a law where when you get a traffic ticket you can't dispute it unless you have hard evidence proving the cop wrong and even then it's all done electronicly now, not in a court room anymore ..even though i didnt have many to begin with..still pretty shady ..plus canadian gun laws blow a$$

 

^ The US isn't all that bad. Just pick a good state. Every place in the world has it's pro's and con's. Every city here isn't like the hood in Chicago.

I also foresee that in the not so distant future the US is going to have another bubble burst and things come crashing down again. So you might be able to pick up another house nice and cheap!

 

Trust me, its him.

 

You are an idiot if you think whatever happened to your close person, being an isolated incident is enough to generalize a claim like that. Keep living under your rock.

 

Are you kidding me? its not an isolated incident. There are enough statistics to generalize it but ignorant turds will always be, well, ignorant!. anyways no point in beating a dead horse. You will only understand when something of that magnitude happens to you. Good luck using that gun of yours to "defend" yourself and hope you don't shoot yourself in the foot.

 

Then keep being an ignorant turd because you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm done trying to reason with mouth breathers.

 

Yes. Yes it was clearly intended towards you and to anyone who has the same ideals. We'll NEVER see eye to eye on this hot topic. People like you always think when you have a gun you must use it and that couldn't be further from the truth. People like you also think that when a gun is drawn that it must be fired too. You choose to protect yourself your way and I'll do it my way. Just don't try to hide behind someone with a firearm, God forbid, should the chit hit the fan. Oh and stop watching CNN, they will NEVER televise all the would be thugs being stopped in their tracks when responsible gun owners step up

 

Amen.

I am armed not to defend myself against the sane and rational... But rather the insane, irrational and/or intoxicated that have lost their ability to determine right from wrong and have chosen to threaten me or my family in my home.

 

Those Canadiangun laws are a significant part of why our murder rate is a third of what it is in the US. I'd argue that if Canadian criminals didn't have acces to stolen US guns it would be even lower.

If handgun ownership kept people safe, the US would be a crime free utopia and Canada, the UK and Austrailia would be dangerous territories. It just isn't so. Even as you compare various states, there is a strong positive correlation between rates of gun ownership and gun deaths.
Again, I'm not suggesting that Americans shouldn't be able to keep guns in their homes, or use them for sport. My point is that there is no empirical evidence to support that carrying guns results in increased safety for either the gun owners or society as a whole. In fact, the evidence would suggest the opposite. Certainly individuals will each have their own examples or when a gun helped or harmed them or someone they knew - anecdotal examples in either direction will always exist, but can't override broad statistics.

 

These topics always end up the same way. The point is, if you don't like guns, you're free to not own or carry them. But if there's a gun topic being discussed, don't ****ing join it. Its not for you, simple as that. No point in arguing your decision to never touch a gun, we don't care. You do what you think is best for you and we do what we know is best for us. Just stay out of it.