which cat back
Thread Starter
Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 83
Likes: 1
2009 C63
which cat back
Alright guys I'm pulling the trigger on either a Agency power or the IPE now that'd be special pricing is being offered. Dont know which one do get, relatively similar pricing and both sound awesome. Any feedback on both systems about drone issues, fitment, ping sounds, or failures welcomed.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,202
Likes: 8
From: Massachusetts
C63
wanted to make this thread earlier. how about through Agency Power, iPE and Eisenmann race in for choices. All are within $400 of each other i believe. Akrapovic is amazing but way way way too expensive.
currently i'm leaning towards Eisenmann race but i like the valved exhausts too.
currently i'm leaning towards Eisenmann race but i like the valved exhausts too.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,276
Likes: 409
C63 AMG
Are you doing headers? if so then the cat backs are definitely worth the investment. If you are simply adding a cat back. You won't gain any power.
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them)
AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work.
I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them)
AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work. I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Thread Starter
Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 83
Likes: 1
2009 C63
Akra way to expensive. I really like Dr valve option , tame when needed and an animal when not.
I'm going a different route than everyone else, I've read thread after thread and can't find anyone that's done this. I'm gonna keep the stock headers and go straight pipe from them to the mufflers....I understand that headers are designed to make power but why couldn't I gain a hp figure somewhat close to what headers provide by just removing the cats? I've read countless threads and looked all over you tube for some type of relative build but no prevail. So I'm gonna try.....if it's not what I want than I'll get headers lol. But if the results are good I'll be happy spending 100 bucks to have the cats removed and replaced with straight pipes compared to 3k dollar headers
I'm going a different route than everyone else, I've read thread after thread and can't find anyone that's done this. I'm gonna keep the stock headers and go straight pipe from them to the mufflers....I understand that headers are designed to make power but why couldn't I gain a hp figure somewhat close to what headers provide by just removing the cats? I've read countless threads and looked all over you tube for some type of relative build but no prevail. So I'm gonna try.....if it's not what I want than I'll get headers lol. But if the results are good I'll be happy spending 100 bucks to have the cats removed and replaced with straight pipes compared to 3k dollar headers
Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
dreams
Are you doing headers? if so then the cat backs are definitely worth the investment. If you are simply adding a cat back. You won't gain any power.
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them) AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work.
I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them)
AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work. I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Eisenmann Race (catback only):
IPE (catback only - quieter than stock with valves closed.. and undistinguished with valves open.. so what's the point?):
IMO neither the IPE nor Agency systems retain the signature AMG throatiness and pulse. Sure they are loud, but I find them raspy and lacking in character.
Last edited by dcho; May 8, 2015 at 04:53 PM.
Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
dreams
Are you doing headers? if so then the cat backs are definitely worth the investment. If you are simply adding a cat back. You won't gain any power.
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them) AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work.
I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Your OEM exhaust is partially made by Eisenmann (tips are from them)
AMG did a great job with the OEM exhaust setup. Really no need to change unless you are doing header work. I own the Eisenmann Race setup. Only other exhaust I will switch it out for is the Akra. But don't like the squared tips
Trending Topics
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
8 Oddball Mercedes Ideas That Actually Made it to Production
Verdad Gallardo
Dubai Tuner Gives the Mercedes G-Class An Entirely New Look
Verdad Gallardo
Six Gift Ideas Your AMG Loving Dad or Grad Will Cherish
7 Craziest Things AMG Gas Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)
Verdad Gallardo
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
dreams
Nope, no valvetronic. That was one of its selling points to me as I didn't want to bother with wiring and a second fob. I'm sure it would probably be fricken loud with a cat delete (if that's what you're asking).
Thread Starter
Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 83
Likes: 1
2009 C63
Yes, I would like one of the valvetronic to atleast quiet the car down when I don't need want attention cruising around normally. But the route I'm going without a valvetronic exhaust it's gonna be unfavorably loud as a constant sound
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 425
Likes: 9
From: Eurocharged Orlando
10 C63, 06 S65, 14 ML350, 95 S500
That is the set up I have (Stock mufflers), and at idle and low rpms it isn't too loud but above 4k gets loud and screams at WOT. I still want my car louder though, so looking into other options from a muffler delete, AP valve, eisenmann or meisterschaft.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,276
Likes: 409
C63 AMG
Here is a clip of my car.
It has Renntech Intakes / AFE Pro Dry Filters + Agency Power Headers + IPE Mid Pipes + Random Tech 200 Cel Cats Straight piped into the Eisenmann Race, which deletes the Resonator.
In all honesty guys, the Eisenmann Race setup doesn't come to life until you remove the secondary cats.
I hear you akmatic63 on simply deleting the Primaries and going straight piped all the way back. You will gain some power, but your issue is still at the merge collectors. Remember Long tubes are equal length (for the most part), they are designed to not only flow at a higher velocity, but to reduce exhaust turbulence which decreases power output.
Either way, good luck on your plan. Its always nice to see variances in setups.
PS: The car during normal driving is like stock with the secondaries and resonator deleted. The video below isn't mine, my buddy was in the car orchestrating the V8 Symphony.
PS: change the settings to 1080P for better sound / video.
It has Renntech Intakes / AFE Pro Dry Filters + Agency Power Headers + IPE Mid Pipes + Random Tech 200 Cel Cats Straight piped into the Eisenmann Race, which deletes the Resonator.
In all honesty guys, the Eisenmann Race setup doesn't come to life until you remove the secondary cats.
I hear you akmatic63 on simply deleting the Primaries and going straight piped all the way back. You will gain some power, but your issue is still at the merge collectors. Remember Long tubes are equal length (for the most part), they are designed to not only flow at a higher velocity, but to reduce exhaust turbulence which decreases power output.
Either way, good luck on your plan. Its always nice to see variances in setups.
PS: The car during normal driving is like stock with the secondaries and resonator deleted. The video below isn't mine, my buddy was in the car orchestrating the V8 Symphony.
PS: change the settings to 1080P for better sound / video.
Last edited by Kriston; May 8, 2015 at 09:03 PM.
Super Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 650
Likes: 20
From: Alabama
09 Carrera S, , 03 F250 CC FX4
I'm going a different route than everyone else, I've read thread after thread and can't find anyone that's done this. I'm gonna keep the stock headers and go straight pipe from them to the mufflers....I understand that headers are designed to make power but why couldn't I gain a hp figure somewhat close to what headers provide by just removing the cats? I've read countless threads and looked all over you tube for some type of relative build but no prevail. So I'm gonna try.....if it's not what I want than I'll get headers lol. But if the results are good I'll be happy spending 100 bucks to have the cats removed and replaced with straight pipes compared to 3k dollar headers
Because the bottle neck in the exhaust is in the exhaust manifolds.
Sure there is probably some in the rest of the exhaust but with the air being choked up front, there is not enough restriction in the remainder of the system to see much of a gain
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 425
Likes: 9
From: Eurocharged Orlando
10 C63, 06 S65, 14 ML350, 95 S500
Here is a clip of my car.
I hear you akmatic63 on simply deleting the Primaries and going straight piped all the way back. You will gain some power, but your issue is still at the merge collectors. Remember Long tubes are equal length (for the most part), they are designed to not only flow at a higher velocity, but to reduce exhaust turbulence which decreases power output.
Either way, good luck on your plan. Its always nice to see variances in setups.
Insanely loud C63 AMG - YouTube
I hear you akmatic63 on simply deleting the Primaries and going straight piped all the way back. You will gain some power, but your issue is still at the merge collectors. Remember Long tubes are equal length (for the most part), they are designed to not only flow at a higher velocity, but to reduce exhaust turbulence which decreases power output.
Either way, good luck on your plan. Its always nice to see variances in setups.
Insanely loud C63 AMG - YouTube
Last edited by akmatic63; May 11, 2015 at 11:07 AM.
MBW Editor
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Front Page News!
cool thread. thought we'd bring it to the front page...
https://mbworld.org/articles/c63-amg...t-competition/
https://mbworld.org/articles/c63-amg...t-competition/
Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
dreams
cool thread. thought we'd bring it to the front page...
https://mbworld.org/articles/c63-amg...t-competition/
https://mbworld.org/articles/c63-amg...t-competition/
