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C63 has 360x36 front and 330x26 rear comparing to 390x36/360x26 in black series, so even MB understands C63 needs more braking power.
While we offer iron rotor BBK upgrade for C63 for a direct bolt on installation which is only available from RB because we can make the rear hat to fit C63 smaller drum brake (than BS) so you don't have to replace the axle to Black Series.
We have just released a 380mm CCM rotor kit for all Lexus (IS & GS except for RC F to follow) which fits 19" wheels, a much preferred size by track racers.
This set up will have the same front as Porsche 997 GT3 comes with pccb (380x34), but will be larger than GT3 rear (350x34)
Which is funny because many GT3 owners switch to steel for the track since they are so much cheaper than the PCCBs.
Anyway if these fit the stock C63 caliper I could see some people buying them if only for the bragging rights. If you need new calipers too $10K+ for brakes on a C63 is steep, but then again if someone is willing to drop that on an IS350 anything's possible.
Look at the number of people on here that complain about the oem cost (which is a rippoff).
Exactly my point. People here b itch about the smallest of costs, vendors not posting prices, etc etc etc. Yea, it's an AMG, but it's really just a c-class with a big motor. Some ballers here for sure, but mostly ballin' on budgets and acting like the thing that swings between the legs is bigger than it really is.
Now, as others mentioned, if you could come up with a solid, well priced, brake solution for us budget baller's you'd be far better off.
Exactly my point. People here b itch about the smallest of costs, vendors not posting prices, etc etc etc. Yea, it's an AMG, but it's really just a c-class with a big motor. Some ballers here for sure, but mostly ballin' on budgets and acting like the thing that swings between the legs is bigger than it really is.
Now, as others mentioned, if you could come up with a solid, well priced, brake solution for us budget baller's you'd be far better off.
You are talking two very different subjects between vendors playing the PM the price game and someone paying 10K for Ceramic top of line Brakes that are worth every penny its just most people on here or even most C63 owners in general would not pay it nor would they know or need the difference.
Let's not go there and start this vendor argument again, things have been calm lately.
^I'm not starting a vendor war again. Trust me, I'm beyond over it. I would still bet, however, that even once people play the PM game to find out how much things cost they don't buy because it is too expensive.
^I'm not starting a vendor war again. Trust me, I'm beyond over it. I would still bet, however, that even once people play the PM game to find out how much things cost they don't buy because it is too expensive.
I hope they don't don't buy from a vendor who prices via Pm's for whatever reason. Because they way of doing business is just bulls*t. In fact I think it would be great to get some neighborhood kids to signup and start asking these shady vendors for pricing!
RacingBrake, not trying to steal your thread. I just don't see reg C63 owners paying the price for Ceramics. I just don't track mine anywhere near enough to even consider.
RacingBrake, not trying to steal your thread. I just don't see reg C63 owners paying the price for Ceramics. I just don't track mine anywhere near enough to even consider.
For the rear you will need:
Left and right calipers, CC rotors, and pads(given )
In addition:
Left and right wheel carriers.
Two rear "E" series axles.
Two rear flanges (part the wheel bolts to)
Rear emergency brake assembly and shoes(both sides are in the package)
For those who like to have this CCM conversion, RB kits are made for "Bolt-On" installation - Everything stays as stock, no other components/accessories to buy or replace.
Last edited by RacingBrake; 05-19-2015 at 11:49 AM.
It's a wise move to poll your customers for feedback before you spend money on new product development. I don't know what you would need to charge for something like this but for a new M4, the CCB option is a bit over $8k. Conversion is probably higher. For the few crazies here who would change out the entire rear end just to get CCB's, this price range is probably a steal. For the other 99.999% of us, it's unjustifiably expensive.
This clearly won't be a high-volume product. So the question becomes - how deep is the crazy pool?
While taking a poll and gaging interest is the way to go, I tend to agree with most users on here. I agree on the part that very few might actually take advantage of this kit. As stated before, owners are "having an issue" spending 4k-5k via their local dealerships to replace their brakes. A carbon ceramic set will most likely cost almost twice that amount.
AP racing has a CC kit for the GTR and roughly goes for 13k-15k depending on the vendor. Not sure how competitive that is compared to the OEM setup but it is still 13k and that's almost 10% of the car's total value. I just don't see that much demand from folks on here.
While taking a poll and gaging interest is the way to go, I tend to agree with most users on here. I agree on the part that very few might actually take advantage of this kit. As stated before, owners are "having an issue" spending 4k-5k via their local dealerships to replace their brakes. A carbon ceramic set will most likely cost almost twice that amount.
AP racing has a CC kit for the GTR and roughly goes for 13k-15k depending on the vendor. Not sure how competitive that is compared to the OEM setup but it is still 13k and that's almost 10% of the car's total value. I just don't see that much demand from folks on here.
CCM brakes is a new technology and is very different from the conventional iron rotor, some track racers considered it's actually cost less to run and maintain.
We have been receiving inquiries from S' and ML's owners even just to do the front while keeping iron brake in the rear, it would still be a major improvement while keeping the cost down.
C63 is the most popular motorsports model out of MB, so we are thinking if we start off a front axle kit @~$6.5K at our cost (including 6-pot caliper, CCM rotor and pad), which is very similar to the cost of a dealer's brake job and only 2/3 of AP's rotors only kit.
This will let you experience the CCM brakes yourself. And we are confident that you will like the kit and agree it worth the money you spent and will endorse this set up to others.
To be honest we think C63 is the only crowd we can expect in volume, and volume helps us to bring the cost down for a potential profit.
C63 is the most popular motorsports model out of MB, so we are thinking if we start off a front axle kit @~$6.5K at our cost (including 6-pot caliper, CCM rotor and pad), which is very similar to the cost of a dealer's brake job and only 2/3 of AP's rotors only kit.
Pricing seems good but I still think you will have few buyers.
I note that you propose a kit of CCM rotor, 6 pot caliper and pads. I assume that a CCM rotor and pad kit for use with existing calipers has issues. Can you provide a brief explanation why a complete changeover is required.
I have the 2 piece RB front and rear rotors now and would love to see a CC kit in the future. I looked into the oem set but I'm not paying 18k for brakes and then also have new wheels made for the different back spacing.
I am very much interested in an upgrade kit with pads and carbon ceramic rotors only (plus adapters as needed for rotor diameter), i.e. using stock calipers. I am thinking about driving those in summer (incl. track) on 19 inch rims and probably go back to 18 inch rims and the stock rotors/pads for winter driving.
How much would such a ceramic rotor/pad/adapter upgrade cost? Feel free to PM me.
I have the 2 piece RB front and rear rotors now and would love to see a CC kit in the future. I looked into the oem set but I'm not paying 18k for brakes and then also have new wheels made for the different back spacing.
Yeah, RB two piece rotors are known to C63 owners as the best value replacement in cost and weight saving. (see below).
For those already own RB two piece rotors, a future upgrade would be CCM rotors for the front, while keep the RB 2 pc rotor in the rear.
And for those still have stock rotors, we can offer a package and bundle with CCM front/Iron 2pc rear.
This set up will be similar to the new C63S w/front CCM option and keep your brake upgrade cost more manageable.
I am very much interested in an upgrade kit with pads and carbon ceramic rotors only (plus adapters as needed for rotor diameter), i.e. using stock calipers. I am thinking about driving those in summer (incl. track) on 19 inch rims and probably go back to 18 inch rims and the stock rotors/pads for winter driving.
How much would such a ceramic rotor/pad/adapter upgrade cost? Feel free to PM me.
05-18-2015, 11:09 AM
