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When I purchased my 2012 C63 w P31 package it didn't come with the LSD option. Am I able to purchase one and install it, if so will I have to purchase other components for the installation to be successful? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
This has been written about ad nauseam here but I'll mention two areas where I feel the Wavetrac makes a big difference for me. (Note that my car was P30 to begin with).
Putting down the power in straight line acceleration: With ESP on (and even now with either the OE or current Wavetrac LSD) I almost always got/get tire chirp and some power loss from the ESP nanny. In ESP Sport mode with the Wavetrac there's no chirp, no power cut, just "power-on" and go fast...it's simply uncanny how much more efficiently the power is put down when the LSD is allowed to do its thing.
"Sport driving": The LSD reduces understeer during cornering because the additional power apportioned to the outside wheel essentially pulls the car into the corner and then out. Torque is better controlled throughout. Perhaps it sounds like an overly ambitious generalization but I truly believe in under almost any cornering condition you'll benefit from an LSD. If you enjoy throttle steer it'll make a BIG difference.
I should have stated that my car was not equipped with the factory LSD.
After putting in the Wavetrac the car is much mire composed, tracks better in all conditions except snow the car is stored winters, You can really feel it push you from both corners when on the throttle.
As for at the drag strip, no more one wheel burnouts and it hooks much better off the line I saw my sixty foot go down from 1.9 or 1.8 to a consistent 1.6 and my 1/4 times drop a couple tenths very consistently.
Had the chance to do a Wavetrack while car was in for headbolts. I plan on tracking the car more. Daily driving on public streets I can't tell the difference. However when pushing it from corners and kickdown you can feel the car grip from both sides better.
Had the chance to do a Wavetrack while car was in for headbolts. I plan on tracking the car more. Daily driving on public streets I can't tell the difference. However when pushing it from corners and kickdown you can feel the car grip from both sides better.
I have a non-lsd car, and I have the opportunity to purchase a brand new p31 lsd+install for a the same price of a wavetrack unit without labor. Should I go for it, or get a quaife/wavetrack?
I have a non-lsd car, and I have the opportunity to purchase a brand new p31 lsd+install for a the same price of a wavetrack unit without labor. Should I go for it, or get a quaife/wavetrack?
WaveTrac. It'll be more aggressive than the OEM LSD.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Originally Posted by Phil Chow
WaveTrac. It'll be more aggressive than the OEM LSD.
No brainer if it's the same price.
That's not exactly true. Neither the Quaife or Wavetrac are 100% locking - they're always in a range from 0-x-100. Further, with one wheel off the ground or in a zero-traction environment, both are going to function at near their minimum amount of lock. The Wavetrac may be marginally better in this situation, but neither will be as good as a mechinacal plate/clutch-type LSD like our OEM unit by definition.
Also, on deceleration the gear types will not lock. On track, in a heavy braking situation where you want more stability provided by a mechanical LSD which locks on decel, the gear-type will have none.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
I didn't say that it was bogus. I said that "with one wheel off the ground or in a zero-traction environment, both are going to function at near their minimum amount of lock." In the Quaife case it's basically 0%. In the Wavetrac case it's something marginally higher than that, but not by much. It's not like the other wheel gets 100% of the power - there are plenty of cases of people with Wavetracs who have issues in these situations I can read things on the Internet too.
The CF bias plates that come standard are supposed to apply a decent amount of internal load when there's zero/near zero axle load. They can also be swapped out for higher friction plates.
Compared to no drive in the same situation from a conventional gear type LSD, I'd say that difference is more than "marginal" as you stated.
No need to take offence guy. Anyone can read things on the internet. Comprehending what they read is a different story...
01-03-2016, 01:39 PM
