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Old 08-17-2017, 11:02 AM
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Got a header file and the car screams up top but feels dull below 3500. I don't know if it's from the xpipe but will try running the straight pipes that cane with the headers.

I might install the hi flow cats I bought also. Top end is definitely faster....like way faster but I drive around in 3rd from 2800-4500 rpms and that area is where the car is suffering.

Oetuning said these headers are too big for na cars and really made for supercharged cars.

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Got a header file and the car screams up top but feels dull below 3500. I don't know if it's from the xpipe but will try running the straight pipes that cane with the headers.

I might install the hi flow cats I bought also. Top end is definitely faster....like way faster but I drive around in 3rd from 2800-4500 rpms and that area is where the car is suffering.

Oetuning said these headers are too big for na cars and really made for supercharged cars.
Oh really? Aren't these headers the same as MBH ones - also 3 inch pipes?
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Oh really? Aren't these headers the same as MBH ones - also 3 inch pipes?
Yes but with 2" primaries Tri-Y VS ARH with 1.875" primaries 4 into 1.

skratch77 try a lower gear. I don't find mine lacking in the lower end that way. I rarely drive in M mode, I use my right foot and let the tranny pick the gear. Even in C mode the car is a rocket.
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Yes but with 2" primaries Tri-Y VS ARH with 1.875" primaries 4 into 1.

skratch77 try a lower gear. I don't find mine lacking in the lower end that way. I rarely drive in M mode, I use my right foot and let the tranny pick the gear. Even in C mode the car is a rocket.
Ok here is an update!

I ran the header race file as I was going to hit the track and didn't want to reflash it and today I flashed the street 93 file.it is night and day better throttle response now and the car feels great.lost a tib bit from 2000-3000 on the but Dyno but from there on the car rips.

Like I think I will trap 124+ now it ****ing rips
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Ok here is an update!

I ran the header race file as I was going to hit the track and didn't want to reflash it and today I flashed the street 93 file.it is night and day better throttle response now and the car feels great.lost a tib bit from 2000-3000 on the but Dyno but from there on the car rips.

Like I think I will trap 124+ now it ****ing rips
Nice. Good to hear. You running with straight pipes with cats, or your original X pipe without cats?
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Nice. Good to hear. You running with straight pipes with cats, or your original X pipe without cats?
Xpipe to stock resonators

I might install my high flow cats because starting Oct all of ma emissions is getting state of the art computers and the have cameras all over the shop.

I won't be able to get a sticker without them next year
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Ok here is an update!

I ran the header race file as I was going to hit the track and didn't want to reflash it and today I flashed the street 93 file.it is night and day better throttle response now and the car feels great.lost a tib bit from 2000-3000 on the but Dyno but from there on the car rips.

Like I think I will trap 124+ now it ****ing rips
that's the post i was looking for! sick man, glad you got it figured out. i was gonna recommend a V7 tune/unicorn tune mix next.
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Guys I had a huge issue with the ceramic shop and pulled my headers out of there.

Long story short they wanted to put a thin coating that was made to vent heat and when I told them I needed a different paint made for headers they said they need to order it and don't have ovens setup to run the v series cerakote.

Huge waste of my time and booked shop time to get them installed so I skipped doing the ceramic
Sad to hear.

For others looking for THE ceramic coating without any BS:
Swain Tech White Lightning.
Most others are fluff and 'high temp' paint.

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What is the average price you guys think is fair to get headers installed.

I also had the shop get new gaskets and all the studs
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What is the average price you guys think is fair to get headers installed.

I also had the shop get new gaskets and all the studs
EC Canada told me 10hours / $1100 for the install, 148 for gaskets and bolts.
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It should take an experienced shop about half that ^. That's nuts. I did it with a couple of friends in 8hrs and we had never done one before. Could probably cut that time almost in half knowing what to expect now.

I'd say that $500 is a good deal, $750 is probably "fair". Anything over that means you should keep shopping around.
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It should take an experienced shop about half that ^. That's nuts. I did it with a couple of friends in 8hrs and we had never done one before. Could probably cut that time almost in half knowing what to expect now.

I'd say that $500 is a good deal, $750 is probably "fair". Anything over that means you should keep shopping around.
yeah, I feel like they're taking me for a ride. Other shop told me it's 6 hours job.
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Originally Posted by BLKROKT
It should take an experienced shop about half that ^. That's nuts. I did it with a couple of friends in 8hrs and we had never done one before. Could probably cut that time almost in half knowing what to expect now.

I'd say that $500 is a good deal, $750 is probably "fair". Anything over that means you should keep shopping around.
Ok so I got spot on I paid 480 for everything cash
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It should take an experienced shop about half that ^. That's nuts. I did it with a couple of friends in 8hrs and we had never done one before. Could probably cut that time almost in half knowing what to expect now.

I'd say that $500 is a good deal, $750 is probably "fair". Anything over that means you should keep shopping around.
No sir, I am on my 4th LTH install on these cars and no matter how you cut the cake you are in for at minimum 7hrs. This last time around i had an amg tech give me a hand or me give him a hand LOL and still 8hr job and trust me we had all the tools and know all the tricks. It's always one thing or the other. I do agree on the $750 price though.

These headers are not as hard as a E60 M5 but they are always a pain in the dik.

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yeah, I feel like they're taking me for a ride. Other shop told me it's 6 hours job.
No ride bro, ask them to hook you up a little. Or find some DIY's get all the right tools and knock it out with a homie. Just prepare for cut up hands and knuckles, cuss words and temporary anger. Keep focus on the smile you'll have when you're done. Split the job up in two days. If you need any pointers or things to expect send me a pm.

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Ok so I got spot on I paid 480 for everything cash
Forget spot on, you took them for a ride
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That's 1100 CAD dollars around. 770 USD. I know for a fact EC Canada takes 7-8 hours for a header install. They just can't get it done quicker.
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Ok here is an update!

I ran the header race file as I was going to hit the track and didn't want to reflash it and today I flashed the street 93 file.it is night and day better throttle response now and the car feels great.lost a tib bit from 2000-3000 on the but Dyno but from there on the car rips.

Like I think I will trap 124+ now it ****ing rips
Awesome. Glad you got it sorted out.

Find a tuner who uses HPtuners. Then they can manipulate the Variable Valve timing. We did it on my car, and got good gains at the bottom end and mid range.
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Awesome. Glad you got it sorted out.

Find a tuner who uses HPtuners. Then they can manipulate the Variable Valve timing. We did it on my car, and got good gains at the bottom end and mid range.
Thanks my Dyno shop actually tried hptuners but I didn't want to buy credits just yet.

I have booked a Dyno session but it's 3 weeks away as I'm getting married this Sunday and have no time.there is actually a Dyno day the day of my wedding lol.

Here is a small teaser of my setup

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Thanks my Dyno shop actually tried hptuners but I didn't want to buy credits just yet.

I have booked a Dyno session but it's 3 weeks away as I'm getting married this Sunday and have no time.there is actually a Dyno day the day of my wedding lol.

Here is a small teaser of my setup

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Congrats on your upcoming wedding. I hope you have a wonderful time.
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I have booked a Dyno session but it's 3 weeks away as I'm getting married this Sunday and have no time.there is actually a Dyno day the day of my wedding lol.
Congratulations!!
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Originally Posted by BLKROKT
It should take an experienced shop about half that ^. That's nuts. I did it with a couple of friends in 8hrs and we had never done one before. Could probably cut that time almost in half knowing what to expect now.

I'd say that $500 is a good deal, $750 is probably "fair". Anything over that means you should keep shopping around.
Agreed. I paid $600 for mine.
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Grats skratch! Enjoy your big day.

Anyone know good shops in Ontario/GTA that won't charge me 1k + for this install? Seems our American friends always get cheaper goods. Even when it comes to skilled labor, somehow Canadians found a way to make it more expensive.
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Grats skratch! Enjoy your big day.

Anyone know good shops in Ontario/GTA that won't charge me 1k + for this install? Seems our American friends always get cheaper goods. Even when it comes to skilled labor, somehow Canadians found a way to make it more expensive.
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I ordered 2 exhaust gaskets, but couldnt find the part # or name/size of the bolt that might be needed for the install. Can someone please give me a link?


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