QWKSNKE

So, since i have struggled to find a C63 that meets my requirements, I have decided to expand my car hunt out to later model 911's.

Any pros or cons to them? I drove a 991 and a Cayman this weekend. Both were quite fun to drive but 911 being bigger would fit my needs better as compared to the Cayman.

Basically, my needs are something i can drive every day rain or shine to work as well as the occasional extended trip for the wife and I.


**As a side note I also test drove an 50k mile 09 SL63. Very nice car but the 6.2 in it sounded like hell. Definitely needs lifters. Fun car but you could really tell the weight difference between it and the 911 (or a C63 for that matter)

HBC350

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ck-wheels.html

Diabolis

They are two very different animals... not really comparable aside from the fact that they both have four wheels and an engine. The Porsches have better handling but can't hold a candle to the C63 in the practicality department. And, what requirements are you talking about? I mean, I gather that you already have a C63 and also know that you'd have a hard time fitting an overnight bag in either of the two Porsches, never mind two more adults...

QWKSNKE

Yeah I know they are completely different cars Not overly concerned with backseat passengers.

I am a long term owner who enjoys driving good cars. I do not believe in owning garage queens that can't get wet or accumulate miles because I am going to sell it in 2 years. I am more concerned with reliability as pretty much a daily driver. Rain or shine, I am going to drive my cars and on nice days, it will go through some spirited driving. Might even join the Porsche club and put it on the Barbers track since it is only 50 miles away.

My C63 was a very reliable car. Bought it at 87k miles and it was totaled at 117k miles almost 3 years later. Probably replaced around $1500 parts during that time (aside from tires)

The 911 was unobtainable dream car in my early years and pretty close to being in budget now. (used) So before I seriously consider a purchase, are they reliable cars? Or will I be spending 3-5k a year out of pocket on parts and repairs?

QWKSNKE

Sorry man, I just don't care for the look of a C63 coupe. Only C63's I was shopping for were 4 doors.

AMG6.3

Don't take this the wrong way but if you are asking about car repair costs you probably can't or shouldn't buy one. Porsches are very expensive to maintain and repair.

QWKSNKE

I hear what you are saying but i think you may misunderstand my question. So let me rephrase it..
Are the 997.2's and up reliable as mercedes? According to several website's they are reliable and it seems the general consensus from JD Power is that they are the best made car coming out of germany for several years now. (From a quality stand point)
I am looking for real world answers to see if that is true.

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Lol, its not that i cant afford the costs, I just prefer to put my money in other things. I mean, none of us want to spend 3-5k a year because of failures on a 30k mile car

Diabolis

While the entry price to Porsche ownership might be now getting pretty low, the rest of the experience usually isn't, and in most cases it is inversely proportional to the price you pay for the car. And, I certainly don't think that $3-5K a year is an unreasonable amount to spend on a five or six year old $100K+ car. If you find that kind of spending on maintenance prohibitive, I'd look elsewhere. Let me put it this way - none of the used P-cars I have ever seen at the shop over the last 15 years (and on average we get one new-to-us P car per day) have cost their owners less than $3K per year.

Despite the vastly improved reliability of the 9A1 motor over the M96/M97, things do wear out and break down (and certainly not just in the engine). A 5 or 6 year old expensive used car (a sports car at that) is going to require a fair bit of expensive maintenance and you need to be prepared to pay for it.

hachiroku

wow...

let me get this straight...you can afford a C63 or a 997.2 or 991...

you can afford a car that'll never appreciate in value, or a car that will appreciate in value. get outta here.

QWKSNKE

Thanks, you are one of the members I was hoping would come in this thread and this is the type of insight I am looking for. Are you are speaking from a general maintainence/service or because of various failures occurring each year?

And i suppose costs are subjective as labor rates vary greatly depending on our home areas and with online retailers such as FCP Euro, good money can be saved on OEM parts vs going through the dealer. This is probably why my AMG wasnt a bad experience. Yeah parts had to be replaced in it, but anything I hired out instead of doing myself wasnt a big deal (yes i am a DIY guy) My local euro specialist shop's labor rates are 50% of what a dealership charges and I trust them more.

QWKSNKE

Loool. Dont know about appreciating in value but i hope a base 911 will at least not fall as hard as an AMG ....but in the end it doesnt matter as i am not looking at short term ownership

hachiroku

all 911's regardless of year appreciate in value after a given point. the art is buying the car at that point so you can drive it and gain value while adding miles.

right now 996's are at the bottom, and will appreciate in value. still the black sheep though.

QWKSNKE

Interesting to know. Currently have a 12 911 black edition with 24k miles on my radar.
Still researching if this is something i want to get into.

hadam3

Am new here with my recently acquired 15' 507. But you are right about the 996s. Since I got mine, prices have constantly been going up.

Diabolis

I am speaking in general. Figure on spending $3K annually for regular maintenance and wear and tear items. If you do the work yourself, then the parts alone are going to cost you about a third to maybe half of that, but on a 6 year old Porsche SOMETHING relatively pricey that you can't fix yourself is going to come up over a three year period, and once you add the regular maintenance you're easily looking at a five digit total outlay even if you did the maintenance yourself.

As for value retention, I am afraid that I can't see 996s or 997.1s going up in price for the next ~20 years until the attrition rate is high enough for the few remaining examples that will survive to be worth anything (and even then it's not going to be anywhere near what the 993 prices are doing). The only exception here are the cars with the Mezger engine, namely the GT3 and the Turbo. I can't see anything with a M96/M97 engine going up in value.

HBC350

You should consider a set of prescription lenses. lol

Ludedude

spawnywhippet

I currently own a 2009 997.2 (105k miles) and a 2009 C63 (137k miles). I have previously owned every variant of Cayman and just about every model of 911 from 1972 up to 2009.

The 997 is more practical than most non-owners thing. You have a reasonably large front trunk and rear seats that can fold flat and take 2 bags of golf clubs or suitcases.

In terms of running costs, I do 99% of my own work on both cars, and parts prices are similar. The Porsche has been exceedingly reliable, other than routine consumables it has needed no repairs at all apart from a high pressure fuel pump at 95k miles. As long as you stick with the 997.2 from 09 onwards, you won't have to worry about the IMS bearing, and they have upgraded suspension and electronics.

The C63? - not so much. It routinely needs expensive parts.

QWKSNKE

Thanks for the reply. I actually decided to gamble and put a deposit down 09 48k mile C2S today. Pick up the car next Saturday.
We'll see how it goes.

Diabolis

There is (was?) a recall on the HPFP on the '09 and '10 models... technically that should have been been a freebie.

Congrats - and make sure the HPFP has been replaced (and if it hasn't, have it done ASAP).

spawnywhippet

Yes, you are correct. I checked with my dealer prior to getting the HPF and they told me my VIN had no outstanding campaigns. It was also 7 years old at the time, so I can't really complain.

Jmarv

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