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In an engine that’s been exposed for over 24 hours without its valve Cover $100 in oil is way cheaper than an engine that’s been contaminated because it’s been exposed to the environment. These aren’t honda’s and the engines are pretty state of the art. Also engines are expensive to replace. The odds are small but being meticulous doesn’t hurt. Oil changes are never a waste of money in my books.
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Originally Posted by Jasonoff
Why? He only swapped out valve buckets. That would be a huge waste of money...
Seriously? The top end was not only open but with all of the "additional" effort it was much more vulnerable to contamination....and if done correctly there SHOULD be assembly lube all over every surface you can get to where parts touch(cam bearings, lobes, tappets), and oil filters DON'T LIKE ASSEMBLY LUBE....come on man, I am the resident DIY cheapskate here and even I WOULDN'T RISK THAT
Seriously? The top end was not only open but with all of the "additional" effort it was much more vulnerable to contamination....and if done correctly there SHOULD be assembly lube all over every surface you can get to where parts touch(cam bearings, lobes, tappets), and oil filters DON'T LIKE ASSEMBLY LUBE....come on man, I am the resident DIY cheapskate here and even I WOULDN'T RISK THAT
It's alive. It runs. It sounds so good too - I haven't heard it without a terrible lifter noise for months, so hearing it sound normal again is awesome. I had to buy a new thermostat, Mercedes doesn't make just that plastic connector. So I paid $160 for a one inch piece of plastic.All total, I replaced my lifters for around $900 total (about $400 of which was just tools). I'd still rather do that than pay a dealership $6000.
Huge thanks go out to everyone who helped me in this thread, notably Jasonoff, AMG3.2, go team, ec_nova, jptaylor, and the others.I was "100% certain" I had done the timing perfectly and everyone quickly proved me wrong. It was my fault for never checking the crank pulley after setting it once.
Most importantly, thanks to Mercedes for making a clearly defective engine part and refusing to own up to it so that people out of warranty like me have to go through all this crap. Honestly it was fun, getting to go through this extremely complex engine and seeing all the high quality parts they use. This engine is a work of art.
Well done jaspirr and for for having the guts to do it.
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Originally Posted by jaspirr
It's alive. It runs. It sounds so good too - I haven't heard it without a terrible lifter noise for months, so hearing it sound normal again is awesome. I had to buy a new thermostat, Mercedes doesn't make just that plastic connector. So I paid $160 for a one inch piece of plastic.All total, I replaced my lifters for around $900 total (about $400 of which was just tools). I'd still rather do that than pay a dealership $6000.
Huge thanks go out to everyone who helped me in this thread, notably Jasonoff, AMG3.2, go team, ec_nova, jptaylor, and the others.I was "100% certain" I had done the timing perfectly and everyone quickly proved me wrong. It was my fault for never checking the crank pulley after setting it once.
Most importantly, thanks to Mercedes for making a clearly defective engine part and refusing to own up to it so that people out of warranty like me have to go through all this crap. Honestly it was fun, getting to go through this extremely complex engine and seeing all the high quality parts they use. This engine is a work of art.
Out of curiousity, what year was your car and how many miles?
Seriously? The top end was not only open but with all of the "additional" effort it was much more vulnerable to contamination....and if done correctly there SHOULD be assembly lube all over every surface you can get to where parts touch(cam bearings, lobes, tappets), and oil filters DON'T LIKE ASSEMBLY LUBE....come on man, I am the resident DIY cheapskate here and even I WOULDN'T RISK THAT
LOL.. what contamination? Was he working outside in a sandstorm?
Do they even make assembly lube anymore that clogs up oil filters?
Out of curiousity, what year was your car and how many miles?
2010 with 53k miles. One bad lifter that made the car sound like an old pickup truck.
It's worse than it looks in that picture. That's a hole right in the middle of the lifter. I wonder how much longer it would have lasted before sending lifter shards everywhere.
A few thoughts:
1) I'll be changing the oil soon anyway because it's full of additives. I had been trying lifter additives to get the noise to stop.
2) I'm not completely out of the woods yet, have a few codes to deal with. P0020 and P0024. They have something to do with one of the phasers/adjusters. I did pinch one of the electrical connectors during reinstall and may have to replace that, we'll see. But honestly the car is running just fine and I'm not overly concerned with the codes right now. It's not a misfire, it's not way out of timing, so I'll let the car drive for a few days before I tackle this next issue.
2010 with 53k miles. One bad lifter that made the car sound like an old pickup truck.
It's worse than it looks in that picture. That's a hole right in the middle of the lifter. I wonder how much longer it would have lasted before sending lifter shards everywhere.
A few thoughts:
1) I'll be changing the oil soon anyway because it's full of additives. I had been trying lifter additives to get the noise to stop.
2) I'm not completely out of the woods yet, have a few codes to deal with. P0020 and P0024. They have something to do with one of the phasers/adjusters. I did pinch one of the electrical connectors during reinstall and may have to replace that, we'll see. But honestly the car is running just fine and I'm not overly concerned with the codes right now. It's not a misfire, it's not way out of timing, so I'll let the car drive for a few days before I tackle this next issue.
I can't find a picture right now. It was a little scuffed but not nearly bad enough to need replacement. I think I caught this early on before real damage was done.
Re-learn, ugh. I hate my local dealership. Just yesterday when I needed a new thermostat they told me over the phone it cost $240 and I told them I'm looking at it online right now for $120. We eventually 'settled' on $160. It's amazing that they try to rip you off on everything, service, parts, etc. They'll probably want more for the re-learn than this entire lifter replacement cost.
I can't find a picture right now. It was a little scuffed but not nearly bad enough to need replacement. I think I caught this early on before real damage was done.
Re-learn, ugh. I hate my local dealership. Just yesterday when I needed a new thermostat they told me over the phone it cost $240 and I told them I'm looking at it online right now for $120. We eventually 'settled' on $160. It's amazing that they try to rip you off on everything, service, parts, etc. They'll probably want more for the re-learn than this entire lifter replacement cost.
Do you have a video of what it sounded like before you pulled it all apart?
Any indy shop that has Xentry can do the re-learn.
Crazy crazy this thread lol. I've put engines back together with the timing off, they will start and throw a code. You must have had it really off for it not to fire if that's the issue.
I have a brand new set of lifters SLS for sale of anyone needs...
Prepares potential wear surface and prevents metal contact before adequate lubrication can be supplied
Unlike other assembly lubes, Red Line's will not plug filters after initial engine start-up
come on Jason, you know an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure....
and as any old school engine builder will tell you you should ALWAYS change oil and filter if you open the engine for any reason. And if anyone is paying $100 for an oil change you are getting HOSED!!! Mobil oil and filter cost you $50max and take 5min to change
come on Jason, you know an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure....
and as any old school engine builder will tell you you should ALWAYS change oil and filter if you open the engine for any reason. And if anyone is paying $100 for an oil change you are getting HOSED!!! Mobil oil and filter cost you $50max and take 5min to change
Yeah, change it, but twice? C'mon man...
He's changing it soon. That will be perfectly fine.
He's changing it soon. That will be perfectly fine.
Humidity, Ambient environment, tools that were brought in, on top of working directly and touching all of the surfaces would be enough. If it doesn't pass through the air filter it shouldn't be in the engine. Change the ****ing oil. Or get another car you can afford.
Originally Posted by jptaylor
come on Jason, you know an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure....
and as any old school engine builder will tell you you should ALWAYS change oil and filter if you open the engine for any reason. And if anyone is paying $100 for an oil change you are getting HOSED!!! Mobil oil and filter cost you $50max and take 5min to change
You sir are on the right track! It's either getting hosed, or you’re in Canada!! And any engine work warrants an oil change after the engine turns. At least OP is smart enough to do that. It's either Do it Right, Do it Quick, Do it Cheap and you only get to pick two. I judge people on their engine building practices, mechanic or not and at least the OP got through and will continue to get through regardless of some of the terrible advices given on here. Jaspirr still waiting on a video!
Crazy crazy this thread lol. I've put engines back together with the timing off, they will start and throw a code. You must have had it really off for it not to fire if that's the issue.
It still doesn't quite add up to me. Timing was like 2 degrees off. Cams at 40* TDC meant crank was at about 38. I wouldn't normally expect that to prevent a car from starting. Oh well, it's done with.
As to oil, I like the LIqui-Moly leiften-whatever one.
Humidity, Ambient environment, tools that were brought in, on top of working directly and touching all of the surfaces would be enough. If it doesn't pass through the air filter it shouldn't be in the engine. Change the ****ing oil. Or get another car you can afford.
Good intentions, another one bites the dust!!. Go team - 1 , Jasonoff - 0, ****ing internet, gotta love it. A win’s a win and I’ll take that as a bow down!
2010 with 53k miles. One bad lifter that made the car sound like an old pickup truck.
It's worse than it looks in that picture. That's a hole right in the middle of the lifter. I wonder how much longer it would have lasted before sending lifter shards everywhere.
A few thoughts:
1) I'll be changing the oil soon anyway because it's full of additives. I had been trying lifter additives to get the noise to stop.
2) I'm not completely out of the woods yet, have a few codes to deal with. P0020 and P0024. They have something to do with one of the phasers/adjusters. I did pinch one of the electrical connectors during reinstall and may have to replace that, we'll see. But honestly the car is running just fine and I'm not overly concerned with the codes right now. It's not a misfire, it's not way out of timing, so I'll let the car drive for a few days before I tackle this next issue.
That bucket is not looking good. Great call on replacing it. Do you have a before video?
Originally Posted by Jasonoff
Someone is upsad.
I know its a losing game for you and all and when it is, I know your memes come out . Now... as for memeboy, I would hate to count the amount of memes you've posted in the past but I think this photo below is a good one to post as your reply to show how you ACTUALLY treat the almighty internet gods, such as MYSELF, online. Don't touch the gods but you may try again on the next thread.. Now that, that's done... On to the next thread! My work here is done! Until jaspirr's video is up, that is.
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Honestly it was fun, getting to go through this extremely complex engine and seeing all the high quality parts they use. This engine is a work of art. 
. Now... as for memeboy, I would hate to count the amount of memes you've posted in the past but I think this photo below is a good one to post as your reply to show how you ACTUALLY treat the almighty internet gods, such as MYSELF, online. Don't touch the gods 
but you may try again on the next thread.. Now that, that's done... On to the next thread! My work here is done! Until jaspirr's video is up, that is.
