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This forum is dope, and I myself am very thankful for all the help and knowledge gleaned from everyone on here.
The back and forth banter just adds another dimension to the learning
Another option I forgot to mention is:
If the BS method is prohibitive for any reason, one can replicate the 44O Upgrade, at least with just the main front oil cooler:
One can add a rubber flap to your existing under body panel, and widen its openings to replicate 44O/BS panel.
Both plastic brackets with rubber trims holding the 44O/BS main front oil cooler are the same as stock.
Only the metal 'holders' are different in the 44O Upgrade, and they change the cooler orientation to lie flat.
I have these metal holders, and a new 44O Oil Line (A2045005100) available if interested in going the direction of 44O rather than BS.
You may need to fab another line, but the above may save you a lil bit.
Also:
The engine bay is a bit cramped for such a high displacement engine, causing more 'hot boxing' if you will.
From conversations that Matt (Leistung Autohaus) has had with his contacts at Renntech, it appears a key element of more efficient cooling on these cars is creating more optimized escape of the heat that is generated.
To this effect, we will be looking at possibly cutting larger hood vents, and applying NACA ducts to panels under engine bay.
44O package is different from a BS oil cooler setup
The same: main oil cooler and arch sub oil cooler - same size same part number
The different: air guide panel ; oil pipe ; bracket for main /sub cooler and sealing stripe
A BS oil cooler setup is like traditional C63 in position, but it is not a bolt on retrofit- the joint point of oil pipe in shape is different from normal C63 so you have to buy BS special pipe to make them fit - of course you can do DIY. you will not be able to 100% fit a BS oil cooler setup on normal C63 because the front bottom panel and side air guide panel is totally different on 2 cars
A 44O oil cooler setup is a refined in design for non-bs C63, you have bolt on air guide panel and all necessary bracket; the smart thing Mercedes amg engineer doing on the main oil cooler is to flat - position it so there will be less heat soak effect and leave more space for tranny oil cooler; since the oil cooler position is redesigned, they put several sealing foam around the cooler to create more vaccum space when fresh cool air are needed during high speed, this practice is proved to be effective and used almost on all new performance cars (W205 C63, ATS-V, M3/M4) you can check more details from below link and you will know what i mean
So, for people who owned a non- BS C63, the best solution is to acquire a 44O complete kit, changing the cooler only will not have 100% effect you need.
For people who modified with BS bumber like me, it will be good to copy BS cooler setup or take 2 oil coolers + air guide pannel and make modifications on oil pipe.
I have been in contact with Tracy, who I'm sure is sick of me by now. The kit is no longer available, however it seems possible to source the AUX cooler and the Black Series front cooler with appropriate components. Cost is an issue at that point, considering just the AUX cooler and components run $1,700. I think I can get away with just the front cooler, but the issues you raised are exactly what I was afraid of.
Your post was very helpful, thank you.
I'm not sick of you. I am enjoying your persistence. Sorry guys, I received email in November MB AMG is not producing the kits. Of course I have the component lists & installation instructions to try to help. Also, BLKROKT's wife IS hot!! and he's not too shabby.
Here's an update. Ordered some parts, but skipped on the wheel arch cooler being that it's crazy expensive, and I'm sure the front cooler will be adequate for the intended purpose.
Tracy at OEdiscountparts hooked me up with the front cooler. DavesMeanE's makes these fancy adapters to convert the OEM oil line plugs into -10 AN fittings. He says they'll fit the cooler, so I ordered a pair. I snagged some fittings off of Summit Racing to emulate the OEM aux-to-front cooler line. A member had the 44O brackets and cooler-to-engine line for a good price. So, technically I should have everything for the install. Once everything arrives and the weather is nice I'll post the install. Overall, I'm at around $1,100 for all of the parts. Not bad. Let's hope it works.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Originally Posted by Ron Olson
So what kinds of temps are you guys seeing? Normal driving vs track?
Before the 44O kit, I’d seen as high as 286 oil on track. Really no bueno. After the 44O, the highest I’ve seen is 256, and that was absolutely wailing on it during peak summer. My car seems to run on the cool side too. Normal day-to-day driving temps haven’t changed much.
Originally Posted by JonM
I think he said they fit most of the coolers. They were only $95 for two of them.
Sorry, what I should have asked is if those were adapters for the engine side or cooler side or both. The Setrab cooler end will have more reasonable fittings already.
Sorry, what I should have asked is if those were adapters for the engine side or cooler side or both. The Setrab cooler end will have more reasonable fittings already.
They're for both, to my understanding. I would check with Dave first, though.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Originally Posted by SRG_C63
Take a look at the oil cooler I designed. Same results with less money to spend.
No offense, because I like to see and encourage innovation here. But you don’t have ANY “results” for your cooler to speak of. So until we see real-world test results demonstrating the effectiveness (or ineffectiveness) of your cooler, the 44O kit is the only proven solution at the moment.
No offense, because I like to see and encourage innovation here. But you don’t have ANY “results” for your cooler to speak of. So until we see real-world test results demonstrating the effectiveness (or ineffectiveness) of your cooler, the 44O kit is the only proven solution at the moment.
I can understand you being skeptical. However, several people on this forum have already confirmed that they have no more problems with the oil temperature with this cooler.
Here is a video with the same cooler and even without an air duct. He is also a member here in this forum.
My cooler is even more efficient with the air duct. But it also works without it.
As I already told in the other thread, when I was at the Nürburgring in March, you will get a video with recorded oil temperature log files from RaceChrono. I hope then it’s proven enough.
I'm sure it works well, but I am offering the BS cooler with all equipment documented in the this thread for $750, which is substantially less than the cost of your cooler upgrade. In theory, the kit I assembled should bolt in. I don't have the C63 anymore and just want to get rid of the parts I accumulated.
I'm sure it works well, but I am offering the BS cooler with all equipment documented in the this thread for $750, which is substantially less than the cost of your cooler upgrade. In theory, the kit I assembled should bolt in. I don't have the C63 anymore and just want to get rid of the parts I accumulated.
Of course the Black Series cooler is a bit cheaper. But it is also smaller and unfortunately the cooler does not fit without new brackets. I have tried this before.
It will also bring an improvement! But not as much as the 44O Package or my cooler.
01-24-2018, 10:28 PM
