Looking to buy a C63 -- Thoughts?
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Looking to buy a C63 -- Thoughts?
Hi all,
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
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Carfax reports an accident which would make me nervous...would look for a used P31 for better resale and options...there is always another car right around the corner so don't be in a hurry.
That car is weird. Appears to have a mix of CF and wood trims. Yuck. "Ideally something that won't lose value"? You're kidding, I know. No matter how much we love these cars, no matter what notion of collectibility we have, they will lose value.
But yeah, my ideal car would be a P31 car, carbon fiber, LSD, lowish mileage. There are some nice examples for sale right now on here!
But yeah, my ideal car would be a P31 car, carbon fiber, LSD, lowish mileage. There are some nice examples for sale right now on here!
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Ya think I would stay away - those 2 little pieces of carbon are weird, but doubt that indicates anything but the last owner starting to cover the trim or started to buy the pieces - can't see any other reason.
The carfax however is a bit weird, first owner listed as a Rental for 1 year 1 month is a bit odd - maybe dealer employee driven, maybe a service loaner and then auctioned - that scares me a little that it was auctioned after a year. Second owner had what appears to be 2 accidents - rear end damage in march 2017 and front end damage reported in december 2017 and then he traded the car and dealer immediately sent it to auction.
Not what I would look for in history of a car, especially since I would not say it is a particularly great price - 2012's should be in the 32-35k range with 35-45k miles and this one doesn't really have any options so should be at the low end and some of the options the dealer lists the car doesn't have - it doesn't have memory seats, it has the manual seats (they have power recline and power lumbar, rest is manual like front back adjust.
And on top of it all it has been for sale almost a year and they have dropped it 5k, so no one wants it - they don't sit that long if they are any good at a decent price, they are probably getting closer to moving it but I would look for a better car.
Also someone here had the VIN decoded back in the July that was looking at the car - it was his only post and he obviously didnt buy it
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post7516246
So here is the datacard https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...b5da877469.pdf
The carfax however is a bit weird, first owner listed as a Rental for 1 year 1 month is a bit odd - maybe dealer employee driven, maybe a service loaner and then auctioned - that scares me a little that it was auctioned after a year. Second owner had what appears to be 2 accidents - rear end damage in march 2017 and front end damage reported in december 2017 and then he traded the car and dealer immediately sent it to auction.
Not what I would look for in history of a car, especially since I would not say it is a particularly great price - 2012's should be in the 32-35k range with 35-45k miles and this one doesn't really have any options so should be at the low end and some of the options the dealer lists the car doesn't have - it doesn't have memory seats, it has the manual seats (they have power recline and power lumbar, rest is manual like front back adjust.
And on top of it all it has been for sale almost a year and they have dropped it 5k, so no one wants it - they don't sit that long if they are any good at a decent price, they are probably getting closer to moving it but I would look for a better car.
Also someone here had the VIN decoded back in the July that was looking at the car - it was his only post and he obviously didnt buy it
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post7516246
So here is the datacard https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...b5da877469.pdf
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The standard/regular car are a dime a dozen so you could probably find one that's been sitting for a while and get it near wholesale. P31 and 507s, well that's a different story. They're simply the better cars and for people who care, they're the car worth holding off for.
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The standard/regular car are a dime a dozen so you could probably find one that's been sitting for a while and get it near wholesale. P31 and 507s, well that's a different story. They're simply the better cars and for people who care, they're the car worth holding off for.
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For the record (as I've been looking at c7's), the vettes depreciate more than the C's, believe it or not.
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Thanks everyone for your comments. I think at $28,550 it sounds like a steal of a deal. I also managed to find the last owner (what a luck!), who noted the accident was very minor, and told me how the first owner was some Chinese woman/student that didn't actually use the car to it's capabilities at all. Interesting story.
I'm located in Jacksonville, FL (North Florida).
I'm located in Jacksonville, FL (North Florida).
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Hi all,
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
Thanks everyone for your comments. I think at $28,550 it sounds like a steal of a deal. I also managed to find the last owner (what a luck!), who noted the accident was very minor, and told me how the first owner was some Chinese woman/student that didn't actually use the car to it's capabilities at all. Interesting story.
I'm located in Jacksonville, FL (North Florida).
I'm located in Jacksonville, FL (North Florida).
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Because what’s the point of it? There’s tunes that are better and make more power than a p31. The non p31 internals are handling 700rwhp... the p31 pkg was worth it when the car was new for warranty reasons. I’ve driven both non p31 and p31 couldn’t tell the difference personally. If the car isn’t a black series it honestly isn’t anymore special. At this point in the game on this older platform, I believe finding a well maintained one that’s clean with no accidents and low miles holds more value than cf trim and pkg that are irrelevant in terms of the performance upgrades that are available now. That’s my two cents.
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Because what’s the point of it? There’s tunes that are better and make more power than a p31. The non p31 internals are handling 700rwhp... the p31 pkg was worth it when the car was new for warranty reasons. I’ve driven both non p31 and p31 couldn’t tell the difference personally. If the car isn’t a black series it honestly isn’t anymore special. At this point in the game on this older platform, I believe finding a well maintained one that’s clean with no accidents and low miles holds more value than cf trim and pkg that are irrelevant in terms of the performance upgrades that are available now. That’s my two cents.
). Yes, the P31 isn't necessary but it certainly doesn't hurt to have forged pistons, lightweight conrods and a revised crank. If you can afford to get one, then I'd say go for it. If you can't then a regular C63 is still plenty enough. Also, it's safe to say a no accident, low miles, well maintained, P31 pkg, LSD car will stand out more than a matching spec C63 without the P31 pkg. That being said, is it as special as a BS or even a 507? Hell no. My prediction is that the pristine BS and 507's will appreciate years from now. But, if you're looking to buy a regular C63 as an investment, that's a terrible way to invest your money.
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Hi all,
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
I just sold my C7 Corvette, and as I'm looking for something more practical/family friendly I figured I'd look into a C63.
I'm looking to spend around $30,000-35,000, and get a 2012-2015 (the last gen, no bi-turbo) C63, ideally something that wont loose much value.
I came across this listing (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=198425851), and would love to hear your thoughts on price (if it's a good deal as it says it is?)
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like 2012-2015 C63 have a hard time being sold? Most of the C63 I see have been for sale for 60+ days
BMW M5 is also nice but more dough.
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I guess to each their own, but I didn't buy the P31 pkg for the raised speed limiter or the different tune, I bought it for the forged, lighter weight (supposed SLS internals, but I'm not going to open that can of worms) internals. There is definitely a difference between a p31 and a non p31 car, I've smoked plenty of the non p31 cars on the highway stock for stock (in Mexico, obviously ). Yes, the P31 isn't necessary but it certainly doesn't hurt to have forged pistons, lightweight conrods and a revised crank. If you can afford to get one, then I'd say go for it. If you can't then a regular C63 is still plenty enough. Also, it's safe to say a no accident, low miles, well maintained, P31 pkg, LSD car will stand out more than a matching spec C63 without the P31 pkg. That being said, is it as special as a BS or even a 507? Hell no. My prediction is that the pristine BS and 507's will appreciate years from now. But, if you're looking to buy a regular C63 as an investment, that's a terrible way to invest your money.
). Yes, the P31 isn't necessary but it certainly doesn't hurt to have forged pistons, lightweight conrods and a revised crank. If you can afford to get one, then I'd say go for it. If you can't then a regular C63 is still plenty enough. Also, it's safe to say a no accident, low miles, well maintained, P31 pkg, LSD car will stand out more than a matching spec C63 without the P31 pkg. That being said, is it as special as a BS or even a 507? Hell no. My prediction is that the pristine BS and 507's will appreciate years from now. But, if you're looking to buy a regular C63 as an investment, that's a terrible way to invest your money.
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lol a p31 and non p31 both stock in race is a no brainer... They are sls internals... the crank is 6lbs lighter. Forged rods and pistons are a bit heavier due to their strength. Again NOTHING you would notice with this monster motor. The only car personally that stands out is BS. The rest are a c63 to me at the end of the day. The same could be said about a 507 vs p31... it’s the same crap lol just Mercedes marketing. Regardless, this cars value will go up. Doesn’t matter p31 or not. They will never make a car like the c63 again. The black series will also skyrocket. Look at the e92 m3’s garbage motor with rod bearing failure but prices are creepy up since it’s the only n/a m3 car with a purist feel. No matter what c63 you get or you have it’s an amazing car.
Our W204 C63's will most definitely go down in price way before they start to go up. In a few years from now, the FL C63's will most likely be in the price range of the PFL C63's (that's my prediction anyways). I cannot see the price of W205 C63/s lowering to $30-40k and the FL W204 C63 maintaining a $30-40k price range.
Yes, regardless of what C63 you get, at the end of the day it is one of the last of its breed, which sadly, will most likely never be recreated again.
EDIT: Just re-read what you posted, where did you read that the forged rods and pistons are heavier?
EDIT 2: Sorry for the thread hi-jack OP, I just noticed it got a little out of hand haha. Hope the C63 search is going OK
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Mainly, the point of the P31 pkg is the forged internals, but you already knew that. The P31 pkg C63 seems to rev quicker than the regular C63's (meaning faster acceleration), thanks to the lighter internals/reduced rotational mass. Also, you will notice a difference if you plan on doing power mods to the "monster motor". The lightweight forged internals will help the motor last longer at the higher hp levels as the stresses are lower without the additional weight on the end. As an added bonus, the forged rod and pistons will help with higher horsepower numbers because with lighter weight pistons you would reduce the amount of energy the engine has to waste in order move around all the other pistons that aren't in the power stroke. As far as what car stands out, that's just a personal opinion, we'll just have to beg to differ.
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You do realize you can blow up a p31 as well right... you act like it’s invincible 🤣 just as jimmy (Gzim335)... seems to rev quicker... so you’ve physically done a side by side test to measure how fast it revved... applying equal foot pressure to both cars pedals? Faster acceleration... I would hope it dynos 30-40 whp more than a stock nonp31. Again there’s nonp31 cars making 700rwhp. Weistec also mentioned p31 internals can only handle 800whp... the masses aren’t concerned with power figures... all they care about is a secondary cat delete and what car wrap they should do next year. No matter what if you have a bad tune forged internal can only handle so much. And FYI my last c63 was also nonp31 and I was running nitrous for over two years and over 75 bottles with shots ranging between 125 shot and 200. I sprayed 200 shot 10+ times. Motor held up great. Troy (Merc63) has had stage 3 for over 4years on stock non p31 internals. But regardless my statement was to help someone buy a car. You’re *** got hurt because I said your p31 pkg isn’t worth it. You’re entitled to your option as am I 👍🏻 Good luck
I never said the regular M156 wasn't stout, they're a great engine. I agree, the masses are not concerned with huge power figures, and I'm included in that as of right now. Later down the road, yes I plan on doing some crazy things with my car but I'm satisfied with it right now. As you said yourself in your thread bashing Weistec, and I quote,
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Wait, back up a couple steps here... I was having a civil conversation with you about C63's in regards to the P31 pkg... when did my *** get hurt that because of your opinion of the p31 pkg? Also, when did I act like the p31 is invincible? I said it has its perks to it, any person with a brain knows that no motor is invincible. Also, a bad tuned engine can only handle so much, regardless of the internals. Point is, don't hire a sh*tty tuner.
I never said the regular M156 wasn't stout, they're a great engine. I agree, the masses are not concerned with huge power figures, and I'm included in that as of right now. Later down the road, yes I plan on doing some crazy things with my car but I'm satisfied with it right now. As you said yourself in your thread bashing Weistec, and I quote,
I never said the regular M156 wasn't stout, they're a great engine. I agree, the masses are not concerned with huge power figures, and I'm included in that as of right now. Later down the road, yes I plan on doing some crazy things with my car but I'm satisfied with it right now. As you said yourself in your thread bashing Weistec, and I quote,
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I said plain and simple p31 isn’t a must at this point with the age of the car. You jumped since you have a p31 car. Go reread your comments. You’ve turned this into a nonp31 vs p31 battle which isn’t what I wanted. We get it you love your p31 car and your trying to toot your cars horn for spending the premium but it isn’t necessary for the masses. Just as you said your self both cars are depreciating, why pay the premium anymore on a 10 year old platform...? My thread was bashing Weistec new business strategy on a 18% restocking fee on a unopened product and their marketing. Anyways i don’t wish to argue with you. OP find a different car that’s clean and low miles with service history. Good luck!
Sorry for the major thread jack OP...and yeah, OP like Peterc63 said, find a clean, lower mileage C63 with 0 accidents and service history. Best of luck on the search!
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To the OP, I found my wife's 2013 C63 AMG coupe w the Dev Pkg. White on red/black at a dealership. It was certified and we then extended that warranty. It had ~22K on it and now has ~56K miles. It's been in the shop 4(?) times. Twice for alignments, once for servicing the tranny and once for a weird shifting problem we had for a few weeks. It's fine now. She drives it fast (~160) but does not abuse it. There are cars out there, but you need to know what to look for and what to ask if possible.
Get the 13 or 14 years with either the AMG Development Package or the 507 Edition. Both good cars.
Get the 13 or 14 years with either the AMG Development Package or the 507 Edition. Both good cars.
