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Old May 28, 2020 | 12:09 AM
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For E85 users -

I’ve been on E85 for about 18months
this pic shows the condition of my injectors

VP racing fuels sells an additive to stop the build up of gunk on your injectors, in your fuel lines and rail.

If your on e85, get those injectors cleaned

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Old May 28, 2020 | 01:57 AM
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Injectors are cheap enough to replace. Unless those were brand new as of 18 months ago
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Brand new 1050idx injectors
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that is a lot of oil vapor residue from your PCV system. how well is your catch can working? does it have any baffling inside?
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Weistec catch can. On a blown C63. It’s not oil residue according to my injector guy. But a build up of carbon and unstable e85.
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E85 doesn’t have the added detergents of gasoline. I recommend redline fuel system cleaner every 2-3k for you. Or something with high PEA

how was the car running with Injectors like that? Interested to see how your ports and pistons look...
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i see, interesting...when i pulled my factory injectors for 600cc's when switching to e85, my factory injectors came out clean. when i pulled my 600cc's for new factory injectors the injectors did have some build up. nothing like yours though. surprisingly not much on the internet in regards to gunk build up due to e85.
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Originally Posted by PeterA90
E85 doesn’t have the added detergents of gasoline. I recommend redline fuel system cleaner every 2-3k for you. Or something with high PEA

how was the car running with Injectors like that? Interested to see how your ports and pistons look...
Oh it was running ****. Instant lean out under boost, stuttering etc. started chasing the problem and pulled the injectors to find them like this.
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That’s interesting. I thought e85 was actually cleaner in terms of the fuel itself almost being a detergent.
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i'm guessing that E85 being alcohol and alcohol being a solvent, wherever it is sprayed will stay cleaned. surrounding area's without a direct spray of e85 possibly becomes magnet to build up and gunk. just throwing out guesses here.
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GTR reports exactly the same here

https://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic...0000km-on-e85/
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another one

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/e8...nk-e-85-a.html
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here's a bit more info

he doesn't state where he gets this info though unless i'm missing it.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post7130859

Well, here is what I did just so everyone is clear. I filled a 40mL vial with E85 and blew it dry with nitrogen gas and mild heating (about 150*F). After there was no fuel left, I placed it under high vacuum to remove any remaining volatiles for about an hour. I was left with a clear sticky residue that smelled bad - like nasty frying oil. I dissolved this sample in the NMR solvent and analyzed it and it IS the same goo that was on the injector. There was smaller amounts of some other stuff in it as well, but the same peaks I saw in the black goo were in this residue. The black goo IS coming from the E85. It isn't naturally black, though. I suspect it just has soot mixed in with it that is giving it the color.

So the next challenge is figuring out why is this crap in our fuel, and if it is in everyone's fuel (particularly people who aren't having this problem).
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post7130650

I found this out recently when I attempted to remove the gum deposits on my injector tips and intake valves with ethanol - no dice. With gasoline however, it cleaned up fairly easily. If putting gasoline through it from time to time does a good job of cleaning any buildup, that's a cheap remedy.

I had my injectors flow tested to gauge the effect of the gum around the tips. The performance of the injectors was unaffected, so that is good news.

As all available evidence indicates, the occurrence of the gum deposits seem to be vendor specific. I dispensed 2 gal of E85 from the suspect vendor, poured it into a bucket, and let it evaporate. As of now, there is less than 1/2 gallon remaining, and the liquid has gone from virtually clear to that dark amber tint characteristic of the gum. I'll post a photo when only the resin remains. Meanwhile, Drifto gets his E85 from a different vendor, and his engine seems to be clean.
supposedly how the e85 is produced affects things as well from what the forums are stating. cane sugar based e85 has a different level of varnish or gunk than corn based e85
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Yep my Injector guy said something very similar. The vp racing fuels product is a stabiliser which helps reduce and stop those effects
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