MB C63 M156 Engine Upgrade by BlackBoost
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MB C63 M156 Engine Upgrade by BlackBoost
Hello Members,
one more engine is getting build right now for a customer of ours. This time it is the M156 engine platform for an C63 AMG.
Details of the build:
Engine Builder Tasos Moschatos
- SLS AMG Intake Manifold
- Stock Block with stock bore 102.20mm
- Billet Camshafts by BlackBoost Performance Engineering
- Connecting Rods Golden Line by ItalianRP with ARPL19 Bolts
(Material: 35NCD16, 10% stronger than 300M, Material Strength 1.900Mpa, Hardness 52HRC)
- Pistons Golden Line by ItalianRP
(Top surface and first ring with an galvanic treatment)
- ARP Cylinder Head bolts
Balancing of the Pistons and Rods
Work in progress
one more engine is getting build right now for a customer of ours. This time it is the M156 engine platform for an C63 AMG.
Details of the build:
Engine Builder Tasos Moschatos
- SLS AMG Intake Manifold
- Stock Block with stock bore 102.20mm
- Billet Camshafts by BlackBoost Performance Engineering
- Connecting Rods Golden Line by ItalianRP with ARPL19 Bolts
(Material: 35NCD16, 10% stronger than 300M, Material Strength 1.900Mpa, Hardness 52HRC)
- Pistons Golden Line by ItalianRP
(Top surface and first ring with an galvanic treatment)
- ARP Cylinder Head bolts
Balancing of the Pistons and Rods
Work in progress
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TK_BlackBoost (03-28-2021)
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Detail on the camshafts please?
And Vektor - there are a bunch of C63 monstrosities in EMEA running with the SLS intake manifold. You can recognize them instantly by their messed up hoods (the SLS intake is too tall in the front and requires making your car hideous). Here’s one of them. https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...p-perform.html
And Vektor - there are a bunch of C63 monstrosities in EMEA running with the SLS intake manifold. You can recognize them instantly by their messed up hoods (the SLS intake is too tall in the front and requires making your car hideous). Here’s one of them. https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...p-perform.html
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We finished the build today, will be waiting for the client to bring us his car and put his engine to his car. Once the work continuous I will share photos of it.
Engine Build completed and ready to get installed.
Engine Build completed and ready to get installed.
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Hello members,
short update. We will put the engine today back to the car and send it for a custom tuning software.
Video on our Instagram Account:
short update. We will put the engine today back to the car and send it for a custom tuning software.
Video on our Instagram Account:
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Hey mate, thanks a lot. I would say it will take approximately 2-3 weeks till the car goes on the Dyno, drive in and then there is another project car to work on the software, an SLS with M159 engine and TT. we cant wait to see numbers too.
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The platform has been around for around 15 years and I'm yet to see/hear of a built motor with higher compression pistons. Why is this? Not ******* on you guys or anything, but I'm wondering why people don't make the most of a built motor which has been set up for NA performance by increasing CR. Let's be honest, forged pistons and rods are overkill on an NA M156 and even most boosted set ups, as the tranny tends to give up before the motor does. Sure the ceramic coating is nice and will have it's benefits, but I can't see why somebody would go to the expense of doing this (unless the motor failed and the cost of new forged parts makes it worth doing seeing as it's all open).
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The platform has been around for around 15 years and I'm yet to see/hear of a built motor with higher compression pistons. Why is this? Not ******* on you guys or anything, but I'm wondering why people don't make the most of a built motor which has been set up for NA performance by increasing CR. Let's be honest, forged pistons and rods are overkill on an NA M156 and even most boosted set ups, as the tranny tends to give up before the motor does. Sure the ceramic coating is nice and will have it's benefits, but I can't see why somebody would go to the expense of doing this (unless the motor failed and the cost of new forged parts makes it worth doing seeing as it's all open).
You are thinking only about the static compression ration but you are missing the point that we put the billet camshafts with a different dynamic compression ratio. We increased the static compression ratio slightly to be safe for a daily use on pump gas, because here in UAE we have only 98RON petrol which is not as clean as in Europe and or USA.
To the question with the forget internals, the client is considering for the future to add a supercharger on it, so we planned ahead for this build. His transmission has already our clutch upgrade kit on it.
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Hello there, thanks a lot for your comment.
You are thinking only about the static compression ration but you are missing the point that we put the billet camshafts with a different dynamic compression ratio. We increased the static compression ratio slightly to be safe for a daily use on pump gas, because here in UAE we have only 98RON petrol which is not as clean as in Europe and or USA.
To the question with the forget internals, the client is considering for the future to add a supercharger on it, so we planned ahead for this build. His transmission has already our clutch upgrade kit on it.
You are thinking only about the static compression ration but you are missing the point that we put the billet camshafts with a different dynamic compression ratio. We increased the static compression ratio slightly to be safe for a daily use on pump gas, because here in UAE we have only 98RON petrol which is not as clean as in Europe and or USA.
To the question with the forget internals, the client is considering for the future to add a supercharger on it, so we planned ahead for this build. His transmission has already our clutch upgrade kit on it.
Again, what confuses me (and I see this with other marques too, so again....not having a go at you here at all) - NA camshaft specs typically will reduce the dynamic CR because of the necessity of running more overlap...so in actual fact, the dynamic CR will drop to lower than static, hence why it's always good to go for higher CR when fitting NA cams. BUT......I guess if you've installed cams optimised for F/I, then sure that will increase the CR, albeit to the slight detriment of outright NA power (because of the reduced flow of the cams), but it'll all come together once the supercharger is fitted.....
Nice work though man. It's better to see things like this being done, than not done
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Thanks for the nice reply
Again, what confuses me (and I see this with other marques too, so again....not having a go at you here at all) - NA camshaft specs typically will reduce the dynamic CR because of the necessity of running more overlap...so in actual fact, the dynamic CR will drop to lower than static, hence why it's always good to go for higher CR when fitting NA cams. BUT......I guess if you've installed cams optimised for F/I, then sure that will increase the CR, albeit to the slight detriment of outright NA power (because of the reduced flow of the cams), but it'll all come together once the supercharger is fitted.....
Nice work though man. It's better to see things like this being done, than not done
Again, what confuses me (and I see this with other marques too, so again....not having a go at you here at all) - NA camshaft specs typically will reduce the dynamic CR because of the necessity of running more overlap...so in actual fact, the dynamic CR will drop to lower than static, hence why it's always good to go for higher CR when fitting NA cams. BUT......I guess if you've installed cams optimised for F/I, then sure that will increase the CR, albeit to the slight detriment of outright NA power (because of the reduced flow of the cams), but it'll all come together once the supercharger is fitted.....
Nice work though man. It's better to see things like this being done, than not done
nothing against you but and its good that you are asking questions.
I would have to go very deep into technical things now, to explain everything, not because i dont want to, but this will explode the time, cause there will be the next and next and next question.
I would say we will wait to see the results after the software has been finished, you can also follow our videos on YT.
#17
I totally understand man, that's no problem. Wishing you all the best with the power runs and tuning on the dyno
Fingers crossed for some good top end gains above 5000rpm. Please run it to 8000rpm to demonstrate the top end potential from the intake manifold.
Fingers crossed for some good top end gains above 5000rpm. Please run it to 8000rpm to demonstrate the top end potential from the intake manifold.
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Yeah this is a setup for exactly this RPM range, top end.
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I'm imagining that was the point. They could've used an SLS camshaft, so I suspect their camshaft is even more aggressive than the SLS. Expecting power peak a bit north of 7500 RPM. This could be over 600rwhp at the wheels after tuning.
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