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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 01:51 PM
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Are these wheels any good. Avant garde m615

Hey guys I just bought these avant garde m615 wheels in matte black for my c63 amg affalterbach edition. 19x8.5 and 19x9.5. 245 front 275 rear mps4s. Does anyone have any experience with these wheels and if they are good or not.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 03:37 PM
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I had a set of M359s (M3 GTS replicas). They were good. Very robust and resilient, great for daily driving year round. I moved them between 3 different cars over the course of a few years. They weigh the same and use the same manufacturing process as the OEM BMW wheels but at half the cost. I would buy them again.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 03:54 PM
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I had a set of M359s (M3 GTS replicas). They were good. Very robust and resilient, great for daily driving year round. I moved them between 3 different cars over the course of a few years. They weigh the same and use the same manufacturing process as the OEM BMW wheels but at half the cost. I would buy them again.
thanks for letting me know. Glad to hear that they are a decent set of wheels!
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Originally Posted by Guidonick
Hey guys I just bought these avant garde m615 wheels in matte black for my c63 amg affalterbach edition. 19x8.5 and 19x9.5. 245 front 275 rear mps4s. Does anyone have any experience with these wheels and if they are good or not.
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Good luck... that might be rub city, those are only available up to +45 offset for the rear 19x9.5... 275 will likely rub, you'll need 255s for sure fitment without "work"
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275 on a 9.5 inch wheel...that sidewall will bulge 255-265 is generally the spec for 19x9.5
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
275 on a 9.5 inch wheel...that sidewall will bulge 255-265 is generally the spec for 19x9.5
According to Michelin for the PS4s and Continental for the Extreme contact sport 9.5" is the ideal size wheel for their 275/30/19 tire (rim width range of 9"-10" with their measurements being made on the 9.5"). 9.5" is also the ideal wheel width for the 265/30/19, with 9" being ideal for the 255/30/19

This is 275/30/19 on a 9.5, it isn't stretched or "bulged" in my opinion.






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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
275 on a 9.5 inch wheel...that sidewall will bulge 255-265 is generally the spec for 19x9.5
I currently run a 275 on the stock 19x9 Amg multispoke wheels and they look fine no bulge at all.

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Originally Posted by Guidonick
I currently run a 275 on the stock 19x9 Amg multispoke wheels and they look fine no bulge at all.
If what blurred said that they only come in ET45 for rear then your current 275/30 will in deed rub.
Your current multi spokes have ET54 which means those Avant garde wheels will stick 9mm further outboard than now.
If you had them try fitting 10mm spacers to your current wheels and check.
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ah, thanks guys. maybe tire brand plays a huge role. my 265mm Toyo R888r bulges over on my 19x9.5s.
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ah, thanks guys. maybe tire brand plays a huge role. my 265mm Toyo R888r bulges over on my 19x9.5s.
That's an r-comp. And yes, every tire model "looks" different as some thicken the sidewall making the entire height a rim protector and some are more rounded etc...

My r888 in a 255 were as square on 9.5 wheels as these 275 are on a 9.5...
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Originally Posted by Cwagon
If what blurred said that they only come in ET45 for rear then your current 275/30 will in deed rub.
Your current multi spokes have ET54 which means those Avant garde wheels will stick 9mm further outboard than now.
If you had them try fitting 10mm spacers to your current wheels and check.
The highest offset is not et45. I got a custom offset specifically for my car. That is what the wheel guy told me when he ordered them and they will fit not problem with 275s. And I belive the max spacers I could run in the rear with the stock rims is 5mm without rubbing.

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Originally Posted by Guidonick
The highest offset is not et45. I got a custom offset specifically for my car. That is what the wheel guy told me when he ordered them and they will fit not problem with 275s. And I belive the max spacers I could run in the rear with the stock rims is 5mm without rubbing.
Find out what offset...
the forum sponsor/vendor motorsportsla only offers +15 to +45 for custom offsets so I'm assuming that's the minimum pad thickness from the manufacturer.

We have lots of threads on here that say "the wheel guy said....". And then the next post is, "the tires rub"... so be wary and get the specs before you're pulling fenders or adding unnecessary camber


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It should work.

507 reps 19x9.5 +45 with Pirelli Pzero 285/30/19 lowered on KW V3


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It should work.

507 reps 19x9.5 +45 with Pirelli Pzero 285/30/19 lowered on KW V3

that's because you have flattened your fenders. You can of course work your fender and flatten/pull them, but some of us don't want to do that.
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that's because you have flattened your fenders. You can of course work your fender and flatten/pull them, but some of us don't want to do that.
how do u flatten a fender
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I have avante guard rims m590. With a 9.5 rear et 47. I would not go more than that in my opinion. It’s very aggressive looking and with a 275 depending on the tire could rub. The thing is not all 275 are created equal some are square some are rounded edges and some vary in actual section width. Now my fronts are 37et and I think I should have gone 32 to match the rears. In terms of rim quality I love mine very good. Those rims look nice also. Et45 can it be done maybe depends on the car and tire.
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how do u flatten a fender
A hammer to where the fender and bumper tabs meet, most of the time the tire could rub there if you’re lowered.
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how do u flatten a fender
You won't need to because your wheels are "custom" and perfect right?

You would use a fender roller and roll them until flat or slightly pull as well. There are risks of course as you weaken the edge to dents as well as they are extremely susceptible to paint cracking and flaking off, then rusting.
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how do u flatten a fender
A baseball bat. Probably something like whatever hit you in the head with all these questions.
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[QUOTE=BLKROKT;8318790]A baseball bat. Probably something like whatever hit you in the head with all these questions.[/QUOTE
why u gotta be a doofus for.
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A baseball bat. Probably something like whatever hit you in the head with all these questions.
why u gotta be a doofus for.
I’m trying to say you might read the forum a little before buying wheels that don’t fit your car, or asking about headers that there are like a dozen active threads on already.
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I’m trying to say you might read the forum a little before buying wheels that don’t fit your car, or asking about headers that there are like a dozen active threads on already.
the wheels fit my car. I was asking about the quality and if anyone had any experiences with them. And for the headers I was wondering the same. I did indeed read all the threads and there are mixed opinions. I don't appreciate your disrespectful comment.
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Originally Posted by BLKROKT
A baseball bat. Probably something like whatever hit you in the head with all these questions.[/QUOTE
why u gotta be a doofus for.
Guess you don't know him yet....
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 05:41 PM
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I was looking at getting these wheels too but my wheel guy said for the cost and the quality of the vossen vfs-2 in comparison to the AG might as well go that route as hes heard some bad about the AG so thats what i went with. But i dont know jack about which wheels would be better or not just my 2 cents. I really liked them too and think they will look great though.
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I was looking at getting these wheels too but my wheel guy said for the cost and the quality of the vossen vfs-2 in comparison to the AG might as well go that route as hes heard some bad about the AG so thats what i went with. But i dont know jack about which wheels would be better or not just my 2 cents. I really liked them too and think they will look great though.
Not having a go but again its the old "my wheel guy said"
It may be that your guy can get Vossen easier than AG or he just doesn't sell AG wheels.
Like have been seen before their are many a "my wheel guy said" only to find they rub when you get them fitted.
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