rick98

Haha no getting an M3 isn't an issue here in SoCal. There are probably 40ish of them available just in Los Angeles. They are obviously more. E53 update is gonna look good too. I want the C43, I am sick of waiting though, so I am getting in my thoughts.

SADDLEE

but mine has bo studio pack…

SADDLEE

so are you saying that is it better to pay $0 down and higher monthly payments?

eatmydust

Yes in northern california 1k a month is m3 territory.

I'm currently leasing a 2020 c43 sedan msrp was 67k for 629 a month 36m/10k mi. But that was 2020... im definitely absolutely not paying 1k a month for a c43. I'll wait for the market to cool.

M340i 2022 right now is around 750 a month, zero down.
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/2022-...centive/439553

eatmydust

always better. Never put money down. You can lose that if let's say you totaled the car.

SADDLEE

i get that. But for c43 2023, it would be something like $1100 monthly with 0 down.

eatmydust

yeah not worth it right now. Market will cool. I have 0 down on my 2020, under 700 a month. which makes sense. Unless you are saying that the residual value of the 2023 is bad? Then that's a problem.

SADDLEE

How do we know if the residual value is bad or not. I thought it is usally around 55%.
Is the money factor negotiable to calculate the residual value?
have you placed an order for your c43?

Dmj958

I’ve been watching the edmunds forums and someone has posted that a 3 year term the residual for a C43 is 62%

eatmydust

Wow then I'm definitely not paying 1k a month haha no thank you.

eatmydust

I have not.

Dima

It's not only the car prices, it's the interest rate and those are not getting down very soon as the Fed misunderstands what's driving inflation.
Money factors are usually not negotiable outside of perhaps half of percent at best.
Higher monthly payment is better then money down. Also I am not sure how you guys getting M3 at 80k for 1k a month. Not possible with 0 down

Kinematic

@alexasa just received an update from SA, I have a VIN and everything has been included in the build! Did you have a tool that I could check the VIN number for included or excluded options?

eatmydust

Here you go. Click m series then see m3. They are offering 950 a month with 4k down. If you roll all in its 1061 per month. That includes the 1k lease rebate out right now. I am a mercedes man 100% total fan boy. But if you gave me the option between the new c43 and new m3 my side starts hurting...
https://www.eastbaybmw.com/financing...nce-offers.htm.

M3 comp is 1202 a month all in. And thats just advertised lease. No negotiation. Still a bit high but reflective of market.

SADDLEE

Fed is so dumb

Dima

Right, I just priced x drive the comp package $85k msrp, and I got $1320 / month with 0 down which is probably a better deal than C43 for the same price. Must be either higher residual or incentives,
Funny that we don't have any cars around here. I think it's a bit smaller inside though.

eatmydust

C43 for me, I'll wait till I can have it at 700 to 800 all in. That's fair. And that's still higher then current m340i lci prices. I got my 2020 at my range as they had much inventory and no buyers. Maybe by end of year there will be slower sales. We will see.

wetwillycf

Totally feeling you. I need something bigger than my A35 so that it's not a joke to fit my toddlers in the back and the C43 is the only car in my budget that fits the bill. Getting really tired of only being able to go places with my family in my wife's gigantic Grand Cherokee L.

The C43 is also barely in my budget so if my numbers don't end up working out the way I want them to then I'm not going to get it. I'm financing this time after leasing my A35 so my payment will be over 1k but I'll be happy to have that flexibility back. I also expect that while leasing will as usual offer a lower monthly, the money factor and residual on this car will make it such a worse deal than financing - it helps I can use Navy Fed rates.

I'm really concerned that cars like this are now on a timer as gas powered enthusiast cars go up in price/segment or basically only have two seats or are ridiculously marked up (CTR, Golf R). Basically, I feel like ICE cars like this are a dying breed and I'm scared to think of how few will be left in only five years. I had an S4 and it was boring. M340i sounds closer to S4 boring than AMG visceral so I don't have a lot of other options. Right now I'm leaning towards a G70 as my backup plan - another tiny backseat (but improvement over my A35) and at least it's much more comfortable so maybe my wife won't hate being in it so much.

rick98

Seriously. My buddies with the leasing company had a C63 sedan deal back in 2021 and the payment was $999 with 3K down. What have times come to ?
Haha

Dima

Political and Socioeconomic changes. I don't like most of them, but many people do, We'll see where it all leads.

eatmydust

In 2020 c63 was about 900 with 0 down at the right dealer. So it changed fast. But it could come falling down again.

rick98

Has anyone here been in touch w MBUSA about when the hell were finally going to get these cars? My dealer seems to not know

Dima

in 2020 the borrowing rates were near zero now 5%. All asset prices went up as well, takes awhile to reverse the cycles.

Dmj958

I have no idea but I hope soon. I was told my car is at the Baltimore VPC so now it’s the real waiting game.

Dima

The rumor has it that it's under review by EPA. They have limited resources nowadays as they're busy with various green deal ideas.