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I wouldn't be too worried about it if I was you. The alternatively powered cars will have as much if not more power than their ICE counterparts. There's already a fully electric racing league that MB is now part of. Having been raised by an engineer who very much understood that this evolution of the automobile had to happen, this was part of my childhood. The engineers know what needs to be done and they're in the process of innovating to make it happen. No one loved his big V-8s more than my engineer father but he understood that things had to change but still maintain or exceed the power levels that people were already used to.
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I disagree 100% especially with true car enthusiasts guys like me. I recently bought my 2021 GLC 63 w4 less than 2 months ago over the BMW x3mc and alfa quadrofologio 100% because of the biturbo v8 engine and the glorious amg exhaust sound. I've always been a BMW guy especially M models for over 15 years still have my M4 this is my first Mercedes vehicle. I could not give up this exhaust sound and biturbo v8 engine even if the electric cars can go faster because they have zero soul to them and give me absolutely zero pleasure in driving. I am glad I got the last of the m177 biturbo v8 engines and plan to drive this glc 63 till the wheels fall off.
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All of this talk of the future WITHOUT ICE powerplants is disheartening to say the least. I appreciate the advances MB has made in F1 with the hybrid powerplant and could see owning one. However those of us who are so passionate about the V8 and its sound are a generation that no longer influences the market. It makes the loss of my 2020 E63s EDP order all the more painful since I'm not a fan of the facelift changes. Heck I'm even considering a C63 Black Series just for the engine.
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Most people on this forum (and others) understand what and why this is all happening, hardly news. Everyone knows EV's will have more power and outperform ICE in straight line acceleration but most car enthusiasts could care less. So every car will be able to hit 60 in under 4 or 3 or whatever. Boring. These cars have no character and will one day all look alike. Other than the higher line cars and exotics its pretty much over. I'm still happy you can get a 2021 M3/4 in a manual, imagine that! Definitely worth considering over a c63e.
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Not correct. Aerodynamics and fuel efficiency didn't become considerations until after the 1970s oil embargos and the realization of the damage being done to the environment because of cars running on the environmentally damaging fossil fuels..
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Ok, I stand corrected. They didn't matter until about 40 years ago. Glad we cleared that up.
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No one loved his big MOPAR V-8s more than my engineer father but he clearly understood that the ICE was doomed when I was growing up because they run on fossil fuel whose burned by products are killing the planet and threatening the survival of humanity. This is reality.
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I would again suggest that those complaining about the move to 4 cylinder engines please review how dominant MB has been in Formula 1 these last few years with this very same technology and also check out the new electric powered racing league that MB is also now participating in. No one loved their big V-8 powered noisy ICE engines more than my engineer father but he clearly understood they could no longer continue to run on fossil fuel. Bottom line, fast sports cars aren't going anywhere.
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I would again suggest that those complaining about the move to 4 cylinder engines please review how dominant MB has been in Formula 1 these last few years with this very same technology and also check out the new electric powered racing league that MB is also now participating in. No one loved their big V-8 powered noisy ICE engines more than my engineer father but he clearly understood they could no longer continue to run on fossil fuel. Bottom line, fast sports cars aren't going anywhere.
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I would again suggest that those complaining about the move to 4 cylinder engines please review how dominant MB has been in Formula 1 these last few years with this very same technology and also check out the new electric powered racing league that MB is also now participating in. No one loved their big V-8 powered noisy ICE engines more than my engineer father but he clearly understood they could no longer continue to run on fossil fuel. Bottom line, fast sports cars aren't going anywhere.
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MB's description not mine. One of the main purposes of racing is to use it as a test bed for new technologies that will eventually filter down to the road going cars.This purpose helps t justify and spread out the cost of the racing program.
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Yet the Formula 1 fans that are still hanging on are loudly complaining about how boring the sport has become, and Formula E is falling apart with big names pulling out, because they no longer see it serve any purpose. BTW, the Formula 1 hybrid technology is nothing like what's in the upcoming C63. The engine is a 6 cylinder revving to 15,000 rpm and there are two hybrid systems. One recuperates heat energy from the turbo and the other one from braking and there is a single motor on the crank to help the car accelerate, the new C63 has the motor on the rear axle with its own reducation gearbox bypassing the main transmission. Completely different. They also use significantly different battery technology that can handle short bursts of high power demand. Perhaps the better example is the DTM which went from a V8 to a 4 cylinder turbo that is the first engine to achieve 50% thermal efficiency. No hybrid in the DTM cars, though. Just a high revving 4 cylinder.
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So marketing. Not to say they don't learn things from F1 that pass down to production but I hardly would put a C63e in the F1 conversation. Most enthusiasts understand the F1 to production path.
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Having been raised by an engineer, who belonged to the Society of Automotive Engineers, I know there's more than marketing going on in racing. It's a must in order to justify the cost of the racing.
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Ignore him. I've finally put him on my ignore list, because I got tired of his parroting of what his father supposedly said. I'm happy to have a conversation with his father about all this, but one's father being an engineer, doesn't make him one.
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I guess I'm a little tired of the non engineer domesdayers and their sky is falling attitude when it's not possible that the non engineer doomsdayers know more than the engineers about the future non fossil fuel technologies. It's time to let the engineers do their jobs. My engineer father taught me well and that's why I'm trying to bring some reality to this discussion.
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I guess I'm a little tired of the non engineer domesdayers and their sky is falling attitude when it's not possible that the non engineer doomsdayers know more than the engineers about the future non fossil fuel technologies. It's time to let the engineers do their jobs. My engineer father taught me well and that's why I'm trying to bring some reality to this discussion.
Motorsport is primarily used for marketing road cars. Essentially they need your brain to associate the brand's name with success, champions and performance and they'll push truth as much as possible to suggest that the cars we're buying have "motorsport tech" in them. Joking a bit, there're more similarities between the IWC watch on Hamilton's hand and the small analog inside the center console than between the road cars and F1, especially at Mercedes' level. For Mclaren and Ferrari I expect things could be a bit different because their cars are relatively low-volume, high performance beasts. The only particular thing that's common between the C63e and the F1 cars is the fact that both have an electrically-driven compressor it seems - unconfirmed yet. That's neat, but really nothing that F1 developed, just another part that's used in both places.
Now in regards to C63 moving to a 4-pot. I absolutely hate it. I can appreciate technological progress, but this is just money down the drain and big compromises all around. Hybrids are just a stop-gap until we move to full EVs. Since we're sacrificing the sound and feel of the V8, for those that argue specs over anything else, a fully performance-oriented BEV like the Model 3 Performance will have better numbers and little soul as well.
