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Old Feb 2, 2021 | 05:44 PM
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 10:47 PM
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 12:29 PM
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The W206 C63 will use the same hybrid technology that's currently in the MB Formula ! cars. I personally think that's a pretty good platform.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 01:48 PM
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Must these models continue to gain so much weight? Sure the battery is going to add weight, but there are lighter materials and tech can make some things lighter. It seems that's rarely happening with these luxury performance vehicles.
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 12:57 PM
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Has anyone heard of the coupe being updated for the North American market? The last i'd read there was a question about whether MB would continue making the coupe, focusing on the sedan for NA. Been a while since I have looked into this, so am curious if anything has been solidified on that front?
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 01:07 PM
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Has anyone heard of the coupe being updated for the North American market? The last i'd read there was a question about whether MB would continue making the coupe, focusing on the sedan for NA. Been a while since I have looked into this, so am curious if anything has been solidified on that front?
Nothing confirmed yet, but several sources have reported that both the C and E coupes will be discontinued and replaced by a new CLE in 2023. What's gonna come to the USA is another story, but Daimler has previously stated they are reducing the number of models in their lineup, but haven't said specifically which and how. Discontinuing two models and replacing them with one model is one way to reduce the number of models.
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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Thanks for the update. This is a bummer, as I really like the coupe more than the sedan. I was hoping they might keep it as they finalize their planning, but it appears that won't be the case.
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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 01:34 PM
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Same here. I have zero interest in the sedan. Moving the coupe upmarket as its own model, basically like the CLK used to be, could be a good thing and could mean a different powertrain.
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Same here. I have zero interest in the sedan. Moving the coupe upmarket as its own model, basically like the CLK used to be, could be a good thing and could mean a different powertrain.
Maybe, but even now they haven't given the past two E-Coupe/Verts a full AMG variant, so if the rumored "CLE" were to receive an AMG variant, they'll likely keep it to 4-pots. It seems the V8 coupes/verts will likely be restricted to just the GT/SL. Of course I would hope I'm wrong, but doubtful.
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Originally Posted by 190Efan
The W206 C63 will use the same hybrid technology that's currently in the MB Formula ! cars. I personally think that's a pretty good platform.
More marketing tactic then anything - MB trying to get you on board the 4 cyl / electric model.
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Old Feb 14, 2021 | 02:16 PM
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What's really depressing is that MB/AMG keeps trying to validate "63" anything. It used to represent engine displacement, now it just represents deceit. They're trying hard to diminish the remaining respect I have for AMG. Their F1 technology is truly impressive and the way forward..........just call it what it is; C45s AMG, I'd have far more respect for that.
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Old Feb 15, 2021 | 02:14 PM
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It will make the last v8 naturally aspirated cars worth more money down the road.
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 12:29 PM
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More marketing tactic then anything - MB trying to get you on board the 4 cyl / electric model.
Not correct. MB has long used the race cars to develop the technology that then filters down to the road going cars.
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Here's the official link for the W206 reveal on February 23rd, http://media-news.daimler.com/cMwlApOUlMLvHNZr
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 12:36 PM
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Not correct. MB has long used the race cars to develop the technology that then filters down to the road going cars.
Yes, however this is a radical departure, far from "filter", more like leap.

Can't wait for the fake and enhanced exhaust notes. I'm sure there will be fan boys that "love" the new sound.
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Old Feb 16, 2021 | 12:41 PM
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Yes, however this is a radical departure, far from "filter", more like leap.

Can't wait for the fake and enhanced exhaust notes. I'm sure there will be fan boys that "love" the new sound.
The automobile is very rapidly being reinvented before our eyes that that rapid development will only continue to accelerate.
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The automobile is very rapidly being reinvented before our eyes that that rapid development will only continue to accelerate.
Yup, rapid for sure. Better? Not sure, subjective.

I used to have a 190E 2.6. Great car, white with light blue interior. Solid build.
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Anyone know how long they will continue to make the V8 coupe available in the US? I am assuming there is going to be a year or two lag as the new sedan and platform get introduced. I have been trying to figure out if they'll keep selling the coupe up to a certain point until they solidify the plans with another coupe in the new line up?
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Anyone know how long they will continue to make the V8 coupe available in the US? I am assuming there is going to be a year or two lag as the new sedan and platform get introduced. I have been trying to figure out if they'll keep selling the coupe up to a certain point until they solidify the plans with another coupe in the new line up?
To my understanding if you haven't gotten your order in, the window either closed or is closing in the next month or so. Otherwise buy off the lot. There will not be a C coupe in the next generation. This is it, if you want a C63 coupe you will need to act quick. It will be sedan only.
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Not correct. MB has long used the race cars to develop the technology that then filters down to the road going cars.
Of course the technology gets passed down to their production cars, but your going to see a major derivative from whats actually implemented in F1.

You lose the V8, so what do you have left to market a hundred thousand dollar C-class?

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Anyone know how long they will continue to make the V8 coupe available in the US? I am assuming there is going to be a year or two lag as the new sedan and platform get introduced. I have been trying to figure out if they'll keep selling the coupe up to a certain point until they solidify the plans with another coupe in the new line up?
It's not clear yet from what I know. Reports out of Germany have indicated, as I've posted before, that both the C and E class coupes are gonna get discontinued after this generation and supposedly being replaced by a new CLE model in 2023. It'll be more upmarket and a combination of the C and E class like the CLK in the past. Powertrain is to be seen. Maybe V8 since it'll be closer to the E class, although we don't know yet what powertrain the next E63 will have. The sedan order banks are closed now, but I've heard rumors that the coupe order banks will continue possibly into 2022, but nothing official or confirmed yet. I do agree with the comment above, if you still want one then I would order sooner than later. There's a worsening global automotive semiconductor shortage and I've heard that allocations are slim because they can't build as many cars. Certain options are also being discontinued on various models due to the shortage. There are also increasing reports that cars are being built with options dropped by the factory due to the shortage, so you have no guarantee the car will arrive as ordered.
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Of course the technology gets passed down to their production cars, but your going to see a major derivative from whats actually implemented in F1.

You lose the V8, so what do you have left to market a hundred thousand dollar C-class?
I wouldn't be too worried about it if I was you. The alternatively powered cars will have as much if not more power than their ICE counterparts. There's already a fully electric racing league that MB is now part of. Having been raised by an engineer who very much understood that this evolution of the automobile had to happen, this was part of my childhood. The engineers know what needs to be done and they're in the process of innovating to make it happen. No one loved his big V-8s more than my engineer father but he understood that things had to change but still maintain or exceed the power levels that people were already used to.
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All of this talk of the future WITHOUT ICE powerplants is disheartening to say the least. I appreciate the advances MB has made in F1 with the hybrid powerplant and could see owning one. However those of us who are so passionate about the V8 and its sound are a generation that no longer influences the market. It makes the loss of my 2020 E63s EDP order all the more painful since I'm not a fan of the facelift changes. Heck I'm even considering a C63 Black Series just for the engine.

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Originally Posted by 190Efan
I wouldn't be too worried about it if I was you. The alternatively powered cars will have as much if not more power than their ICE counterparts. There's already a fully electric racing league that MB is now part of. Having been raised by an engineer who very much understood that this evolution of the automobile had to happen, this was part of my childhood. The engineers know what needs to be done and they're in the process of innovating to make it happen. No one loved his big V-8s more than my engineer father but he understood that things had to change but still maintain or exceed the power levels that people were already used to.
Disagree. The vast majority of AMG buyers hardly use anywhere near the power the cars produce - so trading the one piece of the car that differentiates it from everything else for a slight bump in HP doesn't make much sense. One of the major driving factors of this change is the Euro 7 (soon to be Euro 8) emission standards - and one of the consequences for the performance market of these laws is the trickle down of progressive legislation; mainly the Intelligent Speed Assistance implemented for Europe next year, and will soon to be reflected in the global market. Essentially the shift in emission standards also includes a higher margin of safety standards which removes the freedom of the driver.

None of these changes are good for car enthusiasts.
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Disagree. The vast majority of AMG buyers hardly use anywhere near the power the cars produce - so trading the one piece of the car that differentiates it from everything else for a slight bump in HP doesn't make much sense. One of the major driving factors of this change is the Euro 7 (soon to be Euro 8) emission standards - and one of the consequences for the performance market of these laws is the trickle down of progressive legislation; mainly the Intelligent Speed Assistance implemented for Europe next year, and will soon to be reflected in the global market. Essentially the shift in emission standards also includes a higher margin of safety standards which removes the freedom of the driver.

None of these changes are good for car enthusiasts.
This is true, AMG owners hardly get to really enjoy or even necessitate the power their cars can produce reallly.

Well if its for the better, why not, but yeah there will have to be some serious compromises with these new regulations

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