Great article on the new C63 (W205) - who cares about the M3, how does it compare against the unboosted W204??? THAT's what I wanna know!

http://www.askmen.com/news/cars/mercedes-amg-c63.html

Nothing but high praise so far...

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-c...eviews-up.html

Time will tell when they go head to head.

From all reviews so far it seems clear that as a package ie. engine, drivetrain and chassis combination of the W205 vs the W204 the W205 is better in every way, performance numbers should all end up showing an improvement with the new W205 compared to W204.


On top of that it has vastly better economy and can be set to quiet running when need be those 2 attributes IMHO for me anyway transform the C63 into a true livable daily driver compared with the W204.


Again by all review accounts so far , if you want it to be loud and OTT in the noise department you can choose to have it that way and by all accounts all the sounds it makes are better than the older N/A V8.


In terms of future tuning because it is born with forced induction this too will make it a better platform to extract a lot more power compared the older N/A V8.


AMG are definitely headed in the right direction

Exactly, a simple engine tune will prob give this car almost 100pounds more torque, decat the downpipes and I bet this car will sound insane !

When the 204 was released, people were like "holy **** this car is an animal, a true German muscle car"

I am honestly not impressed by the 205. The styling is blah for me. I'd like to see how the turbo engine performs, but I think they dropped the ball in the styling department huge.

This is easy.

w205 has "nicer" interior, better MPGs, and comes with a platform that is going to tune better than the w204 and is obviously going to be faster. It is going to sound great and walk away from 204s.

The 204, however, looks so much more aggressive and has a motor that has a better shot at making it a classic over the 205. Going to be hard to come by a 6+ L v8 in the coming years.

And the end of the day, the 205 is going to get you around or down a track faster, but the 204 will make *****es deaf and look better doing it.

Don't worry guys, I'll put a 205 engine in my 204 and give y'all some fapping material.

The W204 was (still is) a great car. I love mine and I'm about to mod it extensively. I'll hang onto it for another year or so but I'm considering adding a W205.

I personally like the W205's styling. The interior looks to be a huge step up from the W204. I liked the W204 because I thought it was a bit of a sleeper and I think the W205 carries that tradition forward.

With 500+ horsepower, a standard LSD, and RWD, the W205 seems as if it will be just as much of a muscle car as the W204 but with more dynamic handling.

Praise like this gets me excited:

BBC Autos' Conclusion:

"The C63 feels not simply faster than an M3, but more approachable, engaging, deluxe and fun. The changing of the guard can no longer be ignored, or argued away. Until BMW can stiffen its resolve and recapture its magic, Mercedes-AMG is the new standard-bearer for luxury sedan performance."

http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150...ne-for-drivers

And Top Gear's take:

On the new motor's power delivery

"The engine feels barely turbocharged, with a delivery that is elastic, responsive and hammer effective. There's a vague feeling that there's too much torque in the mid-range for a normally-aspirated car, and there's a faint turbo whistle, but it really does just feel like a car with a much bigger, non-turbo motor.

What that means is that it reacts faithfully to the throttle, every time. No muss, no fuss. Of course, you can play with the way it delivers its power via the various modes, but it's never anything short of impressive."

Chassis

"This isn't just a C with a big motor dropped into it. There's sophistication running through the whole thing. The ride is firm - even in Comfort mode - but the staging is well-judged to the point where you really can drive it in Sport+ without needing to be on a track.

And when you really start to drive hard, the car immediately comes with you. Turn-in is sharp rather than darty, and the C doesn't seem to lean - just like the AMG GT, it features active engine mounts that slacken to reduce vibration and NVH from the engine/gearbox combo during cruising, and tighten during more committed driving to improve response."

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/m...ive-2015-02-26

Sound ain't too bad either.

I'm sure it will perform better, but the W204 had a lot of attitude and rawness to it. Which is important, because lets face it, the base C class is a chick car. The W205 may not be hardcore enough particularly with styling for me.

IMHO this review posted by zibby43 in the other reviews thread best answers the OP's question.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...mg-c63-review/

Performance and usability wise, the new C63 is truly a remarkable result/end product that's a total/complete package combining important elements missing from the previous generations

I agree. Think back to the sedan landscape in 2008 when the C63 came out. It was, and still is, outrageous.


I think there is less "wow" factor with the new C63 because everyone expects the C63 to be the monster that it is. The jump from C55 to C63, I think, was a bigger, more dramatic leap.

No replacement for displacement. I'll stick with the 204. My cup of coffee and a short walk to my garage to start it and hear that beeeeeautiful sound that just won't be the same. No wait needed.

I've never liked forced induction. Always seemed like overworking an engine to pump power at the cost of longevity.

The Mitsubishi Evoultion was at its best at model 8. Evo 10 just wasn't the same. Yeah, F/I I know.

Thanks for the article. Can't wait for mine. Getting to order exactly what I want, when my order goes in, in May. For me, it's the perfect sleeper.

It's always easier to get more HP out of forced induction motor and still hit CAFE numbers. With that said, the C63 (W204) motor was detuned as not to have the same HP rating as it's more expensive siblings. Consequently a rather quick flash of the ECU will get those lost 50 hp back.

It's not just about the (imo) better engine but more about the MUCH better chassis, the w205 is going to be a helluva track sled

yes, I think the W205's suspension/chassis improvements are what a lot of the reviews highlight. It would be hard to top the W204 pure engine feel and sound, but most of the W205 review articles claim to be an at least match to the W204. Better gas milage, as well. I can't wait to test these opinions, as the personal drive test is the most important thing.

Well said. Could not agree more with that last comment.

I loved the raw feel of the C63 204 with the 6.3 engine, but more than an engine, it's the fender flares. The hydraulic rack and pinion steering. The brute incorportation of technology. The feel of the road.

The 205 is technologically advanced in every way with the electromechanical power steering, hot inner-v mounted turbos, the electronically limited rear diff (S model), the agility select system that allows one-touch schizophrenia, the exhaust flaps that allow your teenager to return it at 2 am without waking you; and the interior, well everything. A superior car in every way undeniably. But how much fun is a C63 507 edition?!

Mercedes-AMG C63 S: Does adding a turbo cost your soul?

^^^^ I say when the chance comes drive the 205 C63 and then compare both it and the 204 for a proper and informed opinion


I'm certainly looking forward to it (upcoming test drives) and I'm confident it's going to satisfy in all the ways which lacked for me with the 204 C63.


The only concern I have is the exterior looks/appeal which I'm still in 2 minds about looking at the 205 sedan (rear section and roof line), but the upcoming coupe which is what I'm wanting anyway is shaping up to be one of the best looking MB's ever made

Funny how non C63 AMG drivers come into this thread and try to give their opinion regarding which one is better or nicer with out living with any of these two beasts. Owners of the w204 know exactly what they are talking about when they compare it to the w205. It is not a matter of engine, sound or look. It is the passion of driving an 8V naturally aspirated engine with a pure power and brutal attendance on the streets. It a love that w204 AMG owners have carried for a long time now and I believe it is love that can't be replaced easily.

To conclude, if you have never lived and experienced the w204 AMG, then go straight forward for buying the w205. You won't regret it for sure. However, for those who already know what is the w204.. hold strong to your baby.

Hi,


As I'm new to AMG vehicles I'm not getting into the 204/205 battle. But what was that at the end of this video, " It's going to make you're ***** tingle". I have never heard that, ever as a test criteria. Is that a new standard on the test sheets for the car magazines? Never had a car do that, but I'm looking forward to it ...LOL

C63 205 have the following


Same engine as the legendary AMG GT
Electronic Differential for S and mechanical Differential for none S model
Dynamic engine and transmission mounts for S model
Twin turbocharged inside the V shape engine
Bigger than W204
Wider than W204
The look of S class in affordable way
Ceramic Brakes options for S model
Panoramic roof
and on and on and on and on..


El-Debs

The W204 is a great car, for sure. I have had mine for about 2 years and will be keeping it for a good while longer. I'm just now getting around to modifying it extensively. If I get a W205, it will be joining the W204, not replacing it.

I haven't had the pleasure of driving a W205 yet but all of the reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. The new car is lighter and faster. It has a LSD standard. The handling dynamics have been improved even further.

At the same time, the W205 retains the classic (legendary?) AMG/W204 C63 characteristics/traits (e.g., RWD, raucous engine/exhaust note, aggressive yet tasteful styling, wonderful Recaro bucket seats, etc.) that made us fall in love with the brand/W204 in the first place.

There will be some things that the W205 can't top (compared to the W204). The W205 will sound great but it won't be as loud as the W204. The throttle response in the M177 is supposed to be great. It won't, however, be quite as crisp/linear as the throttle response provided by a large, NA V8. That said, there will be some tricks the W205 can do that the W204 could not.

I'm just thrilled that both cars are as good as they are. Since the W204 C63 debuted, the AMG brand has made gigantic strides in terms of developing more well-rounded/dynamic cars. Since the C63's debut, we've seen the W212 E63 S, the SLS/SLS Black, the CLA45, the AMG GT, etc.

Celebrating the likely success of the W205 is not a knock on the W204 at all. I enjoy a wide variety of cars. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. When it comes to cars like the W204 C63, W205, F8X M3, etc., they're all good. It just comes down to what one wants from a driving experience at any given moment.

For others it may be different but personally, my endorsement of one car does not amount to the condemnation of another.