C63s. Quarter mile

Subscribe
Aug 17, 2015 | 02:46 PM
  #176  
Quote: You really think so?? 12 sec.
What happens with a 20 min. track session pushing hard?

Heat soak might not be the correct word to describe it. To me it's the normal affects on a turbocharged engine in high ambient temperatures.

Hot air is less dense, meaning there aren't as many oxygen molecules per unit volume entering/exiting the turbo. The turbo then must run harder to keep up with the desired power output; it can't keep up, so ECU alters timing to prevent engine knock.

End results is the engine is down on power full throttle, high-end power.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 04:19 PM
  #177  
20 min track session.... you are ON boost and OFF boost so the i/c system has time to recover.

1/4 mile Wide Open Throttle for 12 seconds you are WIDE OPEN THROTTLE FULL BOOST for the entire run.

A difference.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 04:21 PM
  #178  
Quote: Going again on Wednesday...LOL
Awesome JP
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 04:27 PM
  #179  
Quote: 20 min track session.... you are ON boost and OFF boost so the i/c system has time to recover.

1/4 mile Wide Open Throttle for 12 seconds you are WIDE OPEN THROTTLE FULL BOOST for the entire run.

A difference.
I haven't heard of anyone testing these cars talking about power loss yet (like they did on the new Vette Zo6) and quite a few magazines have tested them and with pros driving both straight line and track.
I would be very disappointed if MB could not engineer a 12 sec run and on most road courses the straights are longer than 12 sec runs.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:06 PM
  #180  
Quote: I haven't heard of anyone testing these cars talking about power loss yet (like they did on the new Vette Zo6) and quite a few magazines have tested them and with pros driving both straight line and track.
I would be very disappointed if MB could not engineer a 12 sec run and on most road courses the straights are longer than 12 sec runs.
It's not so much a factor in the specific design of the engine but just the reality of a turbocharged engine.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:19 PM
  #181  
Just speculation. We'll see when we get some data-logging on some runs.... and after we run these cars in 40 deg weather...... good DA...... if MPH picks up DRAMATICALLY.... I suspect this is the issue.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:26 PM
  #182  
Quote: It's not so much a factor in the specific design of the engine but just the reality of a turbocharged engine.
But it definitely does depend on the design and quality of the charge cooling hardware. That is why we see so many aftermarket big intercoolers for boosted cars from a few years back.

I really hope AMG designed the charge cooler to be sufficient for a full 1/4 mile run.

As others have said, we shall see when the when fall and winter come.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:28 PM
  #183  
I believe the C63S stock boost is 16 or 17psi....... which is a pretty healthy boost level..... and would require considerable water cooling system.

The E55 guys required i/c system upgrades when upgrading to less boost than this......

Not totally apples to apples.... but from a cyl pressure side this is important.
Reply 0

MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

Explore
story-0

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

 Verdad Gallardo
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:31 PM
  #184  
Quote: I haven't heard of anyone testing these cars talking about power loss yet (like they did on the new Vette Zo6) and quite a few magazines have tested them and with pros driving both straight line and track.
I would be very disappointed if MB could not engineer a 12 sec run and on most road courses the straights are longer than 12 sec runs.
Drag strips are quite different than the track. In high summer temps, the staging lanes get super hot, so your intake air temperature is climbing before the run even starts. Then you blast down the 1/4 mile for 12 seconds, go back to the pit, shut down and continue to heatsoak the engine because the turbochargers are red hot. It's very hard to cool off turbocharged cars before/after runs unless you have bags of ice or something like that -- ideally, jumping on the highway and cruising for a few minutes, but that isn't possible at a drag strip.

On the track, you're constantly getting cooler, fresher air because you're traveling at speed. The W204 definitely had cooling issues at the track that caused limp mode, but the W205 has a twin liquid-air intercooler which in theory should perform very well on a road course.

Of course, none of this is an issue when temps are 75F and below. I've been racing turbocharged cars for over a decade and heatsoak at the track during summer months is always a battle - even with modern turbocharged engines.
Reply 0
Aug 17, 2015 | 05:42 PM
  #185  
Thanks for the info Alex
I have never run a FI car and it will be very interesting to see results from data logging when it is cooler. And of course see what trap times do.
Reply 0
Oct 31, 2015 | 10:52 AM
  #186  
Hey guys, i'm doing my 1st ever roll race tomorrow "1/4 mile" c63s on Dunlop 265/35zr19. Any advice on when to drop the hammer. Rules are I can't go past 30mph before the Christmas tree, but I want to know if I step on it will I get enough for the 30 mph limit or should I wait. No practice run here.
Reply 0
Nov 1, 2015 | 07:26 PM
  #187  
Quote: 12 years ago? Come on...

How many factory stock cars under 100k were running 11's? Let alone sedans. The way you word it sounds as accords and camrys were even squeaking 12's from the factory in 2003.

the 2003 Cobra - was capable of 12's from the factory with a good driver.

The C5 Z06 - 11's were only possible in the hands of the few, i.e. ranger and J-rod.

The Viper - Not as familiar with as the C5Z, but I am sure 11's were possible.

M5 - low 13's, maybe high 12's with an great driver and conditions.

E55 - 11's was surely not the norm for a stock E55.

RS6 - High 12s

Jag S-type R - 13's

2004 CTS-V - 13's (maybe 12's if the factory rear didn't blow)

We have now been spoiled with this new hyper performance generation of cars, but lets not have reality escape us.

Still been done sorry say.
Reply 0
Subscribe
Currently Active Users (1)
 
story-0

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-1

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-2

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-3

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-4

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-5

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-6

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE
story-7

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


VIEW MORE
story-8

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-9

10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

Slideshow: From bulletproof sedans to surprisingly tough SUVs, these Mercedes models proved that the three-pointed star can go the distance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-08 09:55:49


VIEW MORE