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Eurocharged is so confident in our tuning offerings that we will warranty any motor against internal parts damage due to issues directly related to our software. Upon issue, we will require all parts be inspected by an approved dealer for analysis.
Products must be purchased directly through an authorized Eurocharged dealership in the US or Canada and not by a previous owner or 3rd party.
Coverage is for 2 years or 20,000 miles from the original in-service date.
Motor coverage is limited to $50,000.
Valid maintenance records will be required.
Problem parts including the ecu(s) may need to be shipped to Houston for diagnosis and repair. If the issue is deemed to be as a result of our tuning, we will reimburse for all shipping charges. If any parts are missing, we may deny the claim.
Warranty claim may be denied if determined that another tuner's software was installed on the vehicle at any given time.
Receipt required for Eurocharged software purchase.
not exactly the same as the Dinan warranty which is 4yr/50K on a new vehicle purchase or 2yr unlimited mileage on a vehicle outside of factory warranty . This of of course is for the upper end Dinan stuff , good to see EC has a "warranty program" though to some degree
Except if you have no dealer in your area, which nullifies this almost entirely. And by nullify I mean, you have to remove your ECU and ship to them to flash back to stock before each service visit. Who's going to do that???? +4-5 days total added to EVERY service visit (warranty, A/B, etc.). I have no dealer in my area, so it's a useless warranty. I would love to pull the trigger, but - no warranty, no money....
Very interested in this. The reality is the amount of time and effort to remove, ship/flash, and install the ECU makes a flash a hard sell if you truly want to retain your factory MB warranty. A piggyback is much quicker to install/remove and won't leave traces like an ECU flash (since it's altering the factory parameters).
Always a good thing to have more options, especially from a big name
Except if you have no dealer in your area, which nullifies this almost entirely. And by nullify I mean, you have to remove your ECU and ship to them to flash back to stock before each service visit. Who's going to do that???? +4-5 days total added to EVERY service visit (warranty, A/B, etc.). I have no dealer in my area, so it's a useless warranty. I would love to pull the trigger, but - no warranty, no money....
You make some good points... I don't know that EC will cover repair charges if the car is fixed at another shop -- it may just cover repairs done at their shop, but that's an important point. If they DID reimburse for damages fixed by another shop, then you wouldn't have to hide the tune from your MB dealership at all.
Very interested in this. The reality is the amount of time and effort to remove, ship/flash, and install the ECU makes a flash a hard sell if you truly want to retain your factory MB warranty. A piggyback is much quicker to install/remove and won't leave traces like an ECU flash (since it's altering the factory parameters).
Always a good thing to have more options, especially from a big name
I wouldn't say a piggy is 100% undetectable because there are clues that MB has if they decide to explore, which Audi started to do on their cars. They could take a look at numerous items, such as fuel curves, EGT increase, boost thresholds (underboost), etc. because the data is there for analysis. You can't affect the power of the car without a parameter being changed/compensated by the ECU, especially when signals get manipulated.
It's not magic how piggybacks work and a lot of times these systems make the car more reactive, such as faking the signal for a lower boost reading and the car increases boost, but the ECU detects a lean condition and compensates with more fuel. It's not pretty and mostly works, but there are areas in the US where people live in high altitude and the ECU is already compensating for the atmospheric difference, which makes a piggyback pretty dangerous in that instance.
I wouldn't say a piggy is 100% undetectable because there are clues that MB has if they decide to explore, which Audi started to do on their cars. They could take a look at numerous items, such as fuel curves, EGT increase, boost thresholds (underboost), etc. because the data is there for analysis. You can't affect the power of the car without a parameter being changed/compensated by the ECU, especially when signals get manipulated.
It's not magic how piggybacks work and a lot of times these systems make the car more reactive, such as faking the signal for a lower boost reading and the car increases boost, but the ECU detects a lean condition and compensates with more fuel. It's not pretty and mostly works, but there are areas in the US where people live in high altitude and the ECU is already compensating for the atmospheric difference, which makes a piggyback pretty dangerous in that instance.
I wouldn't necessarily say a piggyback is more dangerous at high altitude because you're still retaining all factory safe guards (knock sensitivity, etc. are left untouched). With an ECU tune, those safety parameters can be modified by the tuner. Because a piggyback is simply tricking the ECU, the ECU is never operating outside of the factory safety parameters. The only thing that'll happen is limp mode... which still isn't fun!
There are definitely pros and cons for both. No doubt an ECU flash is a better solution if warranty isn't an issue.
You make some good points... I don't know that EC will cover repair charges if the car is fixed at another shop -- it may just cover repairs done at their shop, but that's an important point. If they DID reimburse for damages fixed by another shop, then you wouldn't have to hide the tune from your MB dealership at all.
Actually, you also made a few good points.
If the warranty covers you and the tune is good, why would anyone need to hide it in the first place, regarless of where it's installed????
Would that not be the point of DINAN's higher end, real tunes???
Actually, you also made a few good points.
If the warranty covers you and the tune is good, why would anyone need to hide it in the first place, regarless of where it's installed????
Would that not be the point of DINAN's higher end, real tunes???
I can say from experience on Dinan's BMW Dinantronics tuner it runs in parallel with the factory electronics. When I had my BMW and took it in for service I DID NOT remove my tuner. They did all their diagnostic work with it fully functional, including software updates!. I would think their upper end MB tuners would be similar. Their warranty also allows coverage at ANY dealership (regardless if they are currently a Dinan dealer or not) , or one of their independent shops. Again, this pertains specifically to BMW , but im guessing it will function similar on the MB side. The only caveat here is they don't have a bunch of MB dealerships established currently, so they would essentially have to work directly with "said" dealership should an issue arise with an electronics problem. That said, many MB dealerships across the country have "sister" dealerships that are BMW (who are dinan dealers). That probably makes the transaction easier since the sister is already doing business with Dinan and can vouch for how they operate.
It's not bad. Suspension definitely is nice though; hard to put my finger on it but it's nicely compliant on the street, but quite stiff when pushed. More comfortable than my C63S in Comfort.. yet zero body roll when hitting the turns.
But jeez it's so low.. I'm pretty sure there's less than 4" of clearance for the front splitter.
I'm actually hoping for a piggyback for ease of installation / removal.
... said nobody ever. The only reason Dinan would do a full piggyback is if they can't crack the DME... I'd be very disappointed if they make a piggyback.
And the entire point of Dinan is their factory matching warranty, in which case, why would you ever want/need to remove the tune?
... said nobody ever. The only reason Dinan would do a full piggyback is if they can't crack the DME... I'd be very disappointed if they make a piggyback.
And the entire point of Dinan is their factory matching warranty, in which case, why would you ever want/need to remove the tune?
It will be a piggyback. Dinan stopped flash tunes years ago when ECU's became too difficult to decrypt/unlock. Their piggyback is not like a traditional piggy like Rebellion, it's probably more similar to what Performmaster offers:
End of week to get a production ready product; they're primarily testing the tune on my car right now, making tweaks. After that they're having a second C63 (coupe) test it out as well.
Fairly imminent I'd say to actual launch/orderable.
End of week to get a production ready product; they're primarily testing the tune on my car right now, making tweaks. After that they're having a second C63 (coupe) test it out as well.
Fairly imminent I'd say to actual launch/orderable.
Excited to see how much power they extract! Dinan is definitely notorious for very minor bumps in power compared to other tunes (for reliability, warranty, etc.), so it wouldn't surprise me if there's in only a negligible increase in power over stock.
Excited to see how much power they extract! Dinan is definitely notorious for very minor bumps in power compared to other tunes (for reliability, warranty, etc.), so it wouldn't surprise me if there's in only a negligible increase in power over stock.
Part Number: D440-1644C-ST1 / ST2
Applications: 2015+ F80 M3 Sedan, 2015+ F82 M4 Coupe, 2015+ F83 M4 Convertible
Specifications:
BMW Factory Ratings: 444 HP, 406 lb-ft torque (507 HP, 463 lb-ft Measured)
With Stage 1 DINANTRONICS Tuner: 532 HP, 504 lb-ft torque
With Stage 2 DINANTRONICS Tuner, Exhaust and Cold Air Intake: 543 HP, 505 lb-ft torque
Release Date: Today, August 26th, 2016.
Hopefully I'm proven wrong, I'm very interested in picking one of these up!
for the most part I would agree with this. They aren't the biggest power producers out there (by design due to warranty and reliability/longevity interests of your car), You could definitely get another product that might add more, but IMO we didn't pay top dollar for our cars to have super big power gains and risk reliability problems either.
Given they're baselining against my Rebellion piggy with claimed 603hp and that I've been running reliably for a while, it might have them push the envelope a little. That's my hope anyways, but eh, I'd give up a bit for that warranty.
Given they're baselining against my Rebellion piggy with claimed 603hp and that I've been running reliably for a while, it might have them push the envelope a little. That's my hope anyways, but eh, I'd give up a bit for that warranty.
How has the Rebellion piggy worked for you? I'm always concerned with piggys that the ECU will learn and adapt and pull back power (or limp mode). Well designed piggybacks don't have this issue, so I'm curious how Rebellion has been for you. Looking forward to your thoughts on how it compares to Dinan!
It's been fine after the revised one. No pullback on power, no codes. I have a OBDII scanner constantly plugged in and datalogging and haven't seen any issues. I let the Dinan guys know that as well.. kind of encouraging them to go a little bit more with their Stage 1.
I just picked up the car this morning, and will provide a more full write up tonight.. But suffice it to say..Holy crap. In a good way. A very very good s*it eating grin way.
Dinan is going to make a definite splash with this.
05-15-2017, 02:29 PM
