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Graph shows 576whp with Turbos & tune.
You got another 100whp when you included dps & intake?
was wondering the same thing, most likely strong tuning and higher octane to achieve this. My guess average rwhp with turbo's, tune, intake and dp you looking at 625 rwhpwith 93 octane. Thats good power and what these f'ers should be with just a tune imo lol. Turbo's are everything, our stock one suck imo, rs7 can get over 700 rwhp awd with stage 2 and not ever touch the turbo's.
Last edited by brad65ford; 07-26-2017 at 01:46 PM.
was wondering the same thing, most likely strong tuning and higher octane to achieve this. My guess average rwhp with turbo's, tune, intake and dp you looking at 625 rwhpwith 93 octane. Thats good power and what these f'ers should be with just a tune imo lol. Turbo's are everything, our stock one suck imo, rs7 can get over 700 rwhp awd with stage 2 and not ever touch the turbo's.
RS7 and C63 are in different leagues. Compared to the RS7, there are E63's and CLS63s that make 700whp with stock turbos.
For C63&M4 to get over 700whp, you deff need turbo upgrades
RS7 and C63 are in different leagues. Compared to the RS7, there are E63's and CLS63s that make 700whp with stock turbos.
For C63&M4 to get over 700whp, you deff need turbo upgrades
wouldn't disagree since that's what i said lol. All good though I totally hear you. Not that i don't want to do this turbo upgrade was just hoping there is another higher yeild gain upgrade turbo kit available. Would like to see a higher increase in the lower curve not just the top end which is surely needed as well.
was wondering the same thing, most likely strong tuning and higher octane to achieve this. My guess average rwhp with turbo's, tune, intake and dp you looking at 625 rwhpwith 93 octane. Thats good power and what these f'ers should be with just a tune imo lol. Turbo's are everything, our stock one suck imo, rs7 can get over 700 rwhp awd with stage 2 and not ever touch the turbo's.
Yes, much stronger tuning for this setup. Pushing the file to the limits of the turbos.
wouldn't disagree since that's what i said lol. All good though I totally hear you. Not that i don't want to do this turbo upgrade was just hoping there is another higher yeild gain upgrade turbo kit available. Would like to see a higher increase in the lower curve not just the top end which is surely needed as well.
Yeah i hear you. I picked up a C63s coupe and for now Im stock but I spoke to Pure Turbo and a tuner they worked with and I will be going that route. Even with the turbo upgrade, I wont be hitting 700whp. I think they said about 630whp for tune, dp, Pure turbo and 93 octane. Thats not bad. Anything over Im sure would require a tranny upgrade.
Yeah i hear you. I picked up a C63s coupe and for now Im stock but I spoke to Pure Turbo and a tuner they worked with and I will be going that route. Even with the turbo upgrade, I wont be hitting 700whp. I think they said about 630whp for tune, dp, Pure turbo and 93 octane. Thats not bad. Anything over Im sure would require a tranny upgrade.
Agree with you seems to be a safe point at the moment, also Eurocharged has been running this setup on their own cars with a lot of time and abuse under its belts. Its this or i'm looking at a different ride.
Luckily, the M177/M178 Platform has been out now for a while which has dramatically helped reduced the cost of parts and increase availability. We would like to offer a package using PURE Upgraded Turbos and Eurocharged Performance Software together for $3999
We have now used PURE turbos on a few different applications and have received great results especially now being a good bang for the buck compared to $9999 !!! At $3999 for the turbos PAIRED with our tune you're seeing well gains throughout the entire RPM band. Below is a graph of PURE Turbos paired with our tune using STOCK downpipes. As you see over factory there are gains of 100whp and 70wtrq with a nice looking curve on the dyno:
We have seen gains of 100whp on the top end compared to the OEM turbos and will continue to use these PURE turbos as they produce great power. Here is a vehicle with some downpipes as well putting the vehicle over 600whp and 600wtrq:
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I just had downpipes, tune and exhaust done. Can i buy just turbo upgrade and if so at what price and what should I expect to gain in horses and torque?
Luckily, the M177/M178 Platform has been out now for a while which has dramatically helped reduced the cost of parts and increase availability. We would like to offer a package using PURE Upgraded Turbos and Eurocharged Performance Software together for $3999
We have now used PURE turbos on a few different applications and have received great results especially now being a good bang for the buck compared to $9999 !!! At $3999 for the turbos PAIRED with our tune you're seeing well gains throughout the entire RPM band. Below is a graph of PURE Turbos paired with our tune using STOCK downpipes. As you see over factory there are gains of 100whp and 70wtrq with a nice looking curve on the dyno:
We have seen gains of 100whp on the top end compared to the OEM turbos and will continue to use these PURE turbos as they produce great power. Here is a vehicle with some downpipes as well putting the vehicle over 600whp and 600wtrq:
What's the scoop on stage 2 Pure turbo kit price & power levels
Yes, I'm very interested in the Stage 2 Pure Turbo's as well I'm seeing they're out there but there is no pricing or even on their own website. I would prefer if I'm going to upgrade my Turbo's I go up to the Stage 2 Turbo's with bigger turbines.
Eurocharged, do you have any long term results with respect to how the trans is holding up to the additional torque?
Originally Posted by C63S8ABMW
Yes, I'm very interested in the Stage 2 Pure Turbo's as well I'm seeing they're out there but there is no pricing or even on their own website. I would prefer if I'm going to upgrade my Turbo's I go up to the Stage 2 Turbo's with bigger turbines.
"MB C63S M177 PURE Turbos Upgrade
-700whp, Race Gas, No meth, just DP and exhaust!
-752whp, Race Gas, No meth, 22-23psi:
But on Instagram, they listed Stage 2s as making 752whp and 681wtq "Same boost, Same tune, Same mods, Same fuel". So I guess their Stage 1 makes 630whp on pump, and 670whp on race gas?
"MB C63S M177 PURE Turbos Upgrade
-700whp, Race Gas, No meth, just DP and exhaust!
-752whp, Race Gas, No meth, 22-23psi:
But on Instagram, they listed Stage 2s as making 752whp and 681wtq "Same boost, Same tune, Same mods, Same fuel". So I guess their Stage 1 makes 630whp on pump, and 670whp on race gas?
I'd like to see Pure's advertised Stage 2 power figures when not tuning on Race Gas.
For all of you that believe the C63s 503 bhp claims, made by AMG, are conservative; have you actually dyno'ed your cars? I have, and the bhp is consistently around 503.
For all of you that believe the C63s 503 bhp claims, made by AMG, are conservative; have you actually dyno'ed your cars? I have, and the bhp is consistently around 503.
If your car dyno's at 503 at the WHEELS, then the HP at the crank is probably around 560-570 HP.
For all of you that believe the C63s 503 bhp claims, made by AMG, are conservative; have you actually dyno'ed your cars? I have, and the bhp is consistently around 503.
agreed. doubtful they have. it's more fun to just assume these cars are underrated. also, given the shape of the power curve, the car over-delivers relative to a naturally aspirated (i.e. a car that might peak at the same 503 number, but only be at that for a brief moment).
the reality re: the stock turbos is plain to see in the graphs. even a tune can't stretch a whole lot more power out of this motor after 5k RPM (which happens to be where the motor is the whole time when racing through the gears). this explains why a tune that is advertised as providing an extra 100hp is barely any faster in the quarter mile (maybe an extra 3mph trap - a lot, no doubt, but less than 100hp would suggest it would be). the problem is that these tunes are advertised as providing that extra 100hp, but that number is measured at a lower RPM. from 5000 RPM's and up, at best you'll get an extra 50hp with a tune. but people ignorantly take their 100hp "gain" number from the tune advertisement and add that figure to the PEAK hp number for the stock motor (i.e. they think they're driving around with a 600 or 650hp car). put simply, you can't cherry pick the max gain in the rev range and just add that to your stock peak number if you want to be honest with yourself.
what's encouraging about the PURE turbo graph is that it shows that the upgraded turbo has just a hair LESS hp than the tune only car in the mid-range, but then it keeps building power (not torque) all the way to redline.
agreed. doubtful they have. it's more fun to just assume these cars are underrated. also, given the shape of the power curve, the car over-delivers relative to a naturally aspirated (i.e. a car that might peak at the same 503 number, but only be at that for a brief moment).
the reality re: the stock turbos is plain to see in the graphs. even a tune can't stretch a whole lot more power out of this motor after 5k RPM (which happens to be where the motor is the whole time when racing through the gears). this explains why a tune that is advertised as providing an extra 100hp is barely any faster in the quarter mile (maybe an extra 3mph trap - a lot, no doubt, but less than 100hp would suggest it would be). the problem is that these tunes are advertised as providing that extra 100hp, but that number is measured at a lower RPM. from 5000 RPM's and up, at best you'll get an extra 50hp with a tune. but people ignorantly take their 100hp "gain" number from the tune advertisement and add that figure to the PEAK hp number for the stock motor (i.e. they think they're driving around with a 600 or 650hp car). put simply, you can't cherry pick the max gain in the rev range and just add that to your stock peak number if you want to be honest with yourself.
what's encouraging about the PURE turbo graph is that it shows that the upgraded turbo has just a hair LESS hp than the tune only car in the mid-range, but then it keeps building power (not torque) all the way to redline.
Well written and agreed. I never moved forward with the Pure turbo upgrade for the c63s since I felt it wasn't enough IMO to do it. Really wanted the twin scroll upgrade setup but knew that wasn't going to happen any time soon. Now i'm back in a 4.0tt more but in a difference chassis (GLC 63s) and already looking to upgrade the tubro's. BTW if anyone gets a chance to drive the 9 speed which will be in the new c63's they are damn good.
agreed. doubtful they have. it's more fun to just assume these cars are underrated. also, given the shape of the power curve, the car over-delivers relative to a naturally aspirated (i.e. a car that might peak at the same 503 number, but only be at that for a brief moment).
the reality re: the stock turbos is plain to see in the graphs. even a tune can't stretch a whole lot more power out of this motor after 5k RPM (which happens to be where the motor is the whole time when racing through the gears). this explains why a tune that is advertised as providing an extra 100hp is barely any faster in the quarter mile (maybe an extra 3mph trap - a lot, no doubt, but less than 100hp would suggest it would be). the problem is that these tunes are advertised as providing that extra 100hp, but that number is measured at a lower RPM. from 5000 RPM's and up, at best you'll get an extra 50hp with a tune. but people ignorantly take their 100hp "gain" number from the tune advertisement and add that figure to the PEAK hp number for the stock motor (i.e. they think they're driving around with a 600 or 650hp car). put simply, you can't cherry pick the max gain in the rev range and just add that to your stock peak number if you want to be honest with yourself.
what's encouraging about the PURE turbo graph is that it shows that the upgraded turbo has just a hair LESS hp than the tune only car in the mid-range, but then it keeps building power (not torque) all the way to redline.
This is nothing new. Unfortunately, many tuners do this and use factory rated numbers to measure and compare their gains. The reality is pretty much all stage 1/tune only ECU flashes and piggybacks make around the same power and torque (keeping turbos in the efficiency range with stock cats). Whether a tuner decides to use their own baseline numbers (as they should) or factory rated numbers (inflating/misleading) is ultimately their decision, but obviously using baseline figures keeps everyone honest. DINAN uses their own measurements so the gains they publish are not misleading (533 HP/572 ft-lbs measured stock, 609 HP/664 ft-lbs with DINAN tune).
As for 1/4 mile gains, I'm pretty sure the reason you don't see much of it is because after a tune the torque becomes unusable and very hard to put down. Stock 285 tires on the Coupe don't cut it and if you have a sedan good luck with those 265's! You'll be slower than stock in first and second gear because you'll be spinning. Given the increase in torque and power, typical trap speeds on a tune-only C63S should be a healthy 125-126 MPH, a 5-6 MPH increase from the stock 120-121 MPH trap speed.
One of these days, I'll get back to the track to see what I can put down with the DINAN tune and 305 PS4S's in the rear. It hooks up really well on the street, basically as well as it did with stock power and stock tires.
This is nothing new. Unfortunately, many tuners do this and use factory rated numbers to measure and compare their gains. The reality is pretty much all stage 1/tune only ECU flashes and piggybacks make around the same power and torque (keeping turbos in the efficiency range with stock cats). Whether a tuner decides to use their own baseline numbers (as they should) or factory rated numbers (inflating/misleading) is ultimately their decision, but obviously using baseline figures keeps everyone honest. DINAN uses their own measurements so the gains they publish are not misleading (533 HP/572 ft-lbs measured stock, 609 HP/664 ft-lbs with DINAN tune).
As for 1/4 mile gains, I'm pretty sure the reason you don't see much of it is because after a tune the torque becomes unusable and very hard to put down. Stock 285 tires on the Coupe don't cut it and if you have a sedan good luck with those 265's! You'll be slower than stock in first and second gear because you'll be spinning. Given the increase in torque and power, typical trap speeds on a tune-only C63S should be a healthy 125-126 MPH, a 5-6 MPH increase from the stock 120-121 MPH trap speed.
One of these days, I'll get back to the track to see what I can put down with the DINAN tune and 305 PS4S's in the rear. It hooks up really well on the street, basically as well as it did with stock power and stock tires.
Need awd (4 matic+) to eliminate that traction lose issue
07-26-2017, 01:44 PM
