NEW RELEASE: DINANTRONICS Elite (C63 / C63S)
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Argh-- fixed. What happens when your rushed I guess.
All of my data stops at about 5800 RPM (the cars fall on their face at about 5700 RPM). I will send a note to engineering to see if they can supply me with any top end data but I wont have anything potentially until the week of the 16th (out next week).
All of my data stops at about 5800 RPM (the cars fall on their face at about 5700 RPM). I will send a note to engineering to see if they can supply me with any top end data but I wont have anything potentially until the week of the 16th (out next week).
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Are sensors #2 & #3 noted as Intercooler outlets in the instructions actually Boost pressure sensors?
Dinian is solid company, but pricing seems to include Mercedes tax & Dinan tax.
Similar product primarily made by DTE & marketed by a few others provides equal performance
for less than half the price. I guess the 'warranty' is worth the difference.
Dinian is solid company, but pricing seems to include Mercedes tax & Dinan tax.
Similar product primarily made by DTE & marketed by a few others provides equal performance
for less than half the price. I guess the 'warranty' is worth the difference.
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Are sensors #2 & #3 noted as Intercooler outlets in the instructions actually Boost pressure sensors?
Dinian is solid company, but pricing seems to include Mercedes tax & Dinan tax.
Similar product primarily made by DTE & marketed by a few others provides equal performance
for less than half the price. I guess the 'warranty' is worth the difference.
Dinian is solid company, but pricing seems to include Mercedes tax & Dinan tax.
Similar product primarily made by DTE & marketed by a few others provides equal performance
for less than half the price. I guess the 'warranty' is worth the difference.
That said.. DINAN, do I need to remove the box everytime i take the car to the dealer? IM sure if they see it once theyll mark the car modded in the MBUSA system.
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Unmatched Warranty
Dinan's comprehensive warranty program, introduced in 1997, provides superior warranty coverage to that which you would find elsewhere. If your vehicle is currently covered by the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty, Dinan® products are warranted for the remaining term of the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty. The manufacturer's new car warranty is limited to 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 kilometers in Canada), commencing on the date of first retail sale or the date the vehicle is first placed in-service as a demonstrator or company vehicle, whichever is earlier. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan products were originally installed is sold. Mercedes Benz automobiles can now be performance-tuned without the associated concern of negatively affecting the new car warranty coverage.
Dinan's comprehensive warranty program, introduced in 1997, provides superior warranty coverage to that which you would find elsewhere. If your vehicle is currently covered by the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty, Dinan® products are warranted for the remaining term of the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty. The manufacturer's new car warranty is limited to 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 kilometers in Canada), commencing on the date of first retail sale or the date the vehicle is first placed in-service as a demonstrator or company vehicle, whichever is earlier. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan products were originally installed is sold. Mercedes Benz automobiles can now be performance-tuned without the associated concern of negatively affecting the new car warranty coverage.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sound like "Dinan products" only warranted not the rest of the car, and "Dinan products" warranty is limited to the length of the manufacturer warranty. If so, there is nothing special about this warranty, every company out there "warranty" their own products.
So it *is* something special; few other tuning outfits do this.
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No change to the modes; I run Comfort while driving my kid to work and/or stuck on 101 traffic. Pop into Individual (basically set to Sport+ and Comfort suspension) for day-to-day, and Race when I feel.. frisky. Each has noticeable increase in throttle response/torque/power, but not at the sacrifice of the intent of each mode.
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Of course, this all assumes that you've had it properly installed and weren't doing something dumb like running 87 octane.
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You stand corrected. Dinan's warranty mirrors the factory warranty in the case of issues the manufacturer refuses to repair due to the Dinan mods. Dinan of course will assess if the issue really resulted from the mod, and if so, will cover repairs.
So it *is* something special; few other tuning outfits do this.
So it *is* something special; few other tuning outfits do this.
If they warranty it on a car out of manufacturer warranty, now that's special. At any rate, this is a "mild" tune and chances of anything going wrong is very rare. I'm just pointing out the inflated "warranty"
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Since it's a piggyback, if something blows up under the "mirrored warranty", people will just yank it out and take it the dealer. The "warranty" is written to sound "special" when it's actually average product warranty.
If they warranty it on a car out of manufacturer warranty, now that's special. At any rate, this is a "mild" tune and chances of anything going wrong is very rare. I'm just pointing out the inflated "warranty"
If they warranty it on a car out of manufacturer warranty, now that's special. At any rate, this is a "mild" tune and chances of anything going wrong is very rare. I'm just pointing out the inflated "warranty"
Yes, this is a mild tune, intended for those of us who aren't ready to take the plunge into FBO aftermarket without a safety net.
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No actual harm or CEL, but it does log it. And you can clear the log, but it'll be obvious to the dealer that it was cleared. I've confirmed it in the past before with my dealer when I had another piggyback tune. My dealer is pretty mod friendly so they don't care and as long as you don't try to test their intelligence, they're actually pretty magnanimous about it all. In the end the dealer doesn't really care, it's MBUSA's warranty dept that does, and the dealer has to clear any warranty repairs through them.
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It logs that there was a delta reported by the sensors, and that it attempted to compensate. For example, ECU sent one value, piggy intercepted and boosted it, then a downstream sensor detected a delta from an expected value. I see it all the time with my OBDII scanner.
No actual harm or CEL, but it does log it. And you can clear the log, but it'll be obvious to the dealer that it was cleared. I've confirmed it in the past before with my dealer when I had another piggyback tune. My dealer is pretty mod friendly so they don't care and as long as you don't try to test their intelligence, they're actually pretty magnanimous about it all. In the end the dealer doesn't really care, it's MBUSA's warranty dept that does, and the dealer has to clear any warranty repairs through them.
No actual harm or CEL, but it does log it. And you can clear the log, but it'll be obvious to the dealer that it was cleared. I've confirmed it in the past before with my dealer when I had another piggyback tune. My dealer is pretty mod friendly so they don't care and as long as you don't try to test their intelligence, they're actually pretty magnanimous about it all. In the end the dealer doesn't really care, it's MBUSA's warranty dept that does, and the dealer has to clear any warranty repairs through them.
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Thanks for the info, but at this point and considering the price, might as well go for a full "proper" tune that will add more hp and remove the top speed governor. However, I can see the advantage of removing this afterward, selling it and recovering some of your money back.
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Yep, definite advantages to a full ECU bench flash tune over piggybacks. But that's a different ballgame altogether. No point to doing that unless you're going to have supporting mods that require it, because pulling the ECU is a PITA. If you're just doing mild mods like intake/exhaust (not DPs) a piggyback is more than sufficient. And this is the best one (yes, I'm biased) out of the bunch, in terms of gains and warranty.
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I'm more than satisfied. If I hadn't gotten to be the test platform, I'd still spend the 2.2k on this for myself.
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Any data on what boost this is running (peak and across the band)? Sorry if I missed it, I did read through the product page.
Vaelin, I was curious about the exhaust sound/pops. So you think they got louder? Was thinking it could definitely mess with it one way or another via the fuel mix MB AMG is using in the “exhaust update” that causes the pops to return.
Vaelin, I was curious about the exhaust sound/pops. So you think they got louder? Was thinking it could definitely mess with it one way or another via the fuel mix MB AMG is using in the “exhaust update” that causes the pops to return.
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One thing about a Tuner warranty is that you have to prove that their part caused the failure in order for them to cover the repairs.
If your turbo blows, the dealer will blame your Piggyback and the tuner will blame a faulty turbo. You'll be stuck in the middle with neither side taking responsibility.
If your turbo blows, the dealer will blame your Piggyback and the tuner will blame a faulty turbo. You'll be stuck in the middle with neither side taking responsibility.
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One thing about a Tuner warranty is that you have to prove that their part caused the failure in order for them to cover the repairs.
If your turbo blows, the dealer will blame your Piggyback and the tuner will blame a faulty turbo. You'll be stuck in the middle with neither side taking responsibility.
If your turbo blows, the dealer will blame your Piggyback and the tuner will blame a faulty turbo. You'll be stuck in the middle with neither side taking responsibility.
DINAN?
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Nate's on vacation until the 16th, per his prior post, so he's prob not going to respond until then.
But it's been outlined in the other thread and spelled out in the warranty details: If MBUSA decides to not warranty a repair, Dinan will have their authorized shops inspect and determine the reason for failure, then go from there.
In a rock/hard place world, yeah, it could happen. Once you start piling in various aftermarket goods from various vendors, it blends together. A chunk of that aftermarket filter could break, get sucked into the turbos that are running at higher pressures due to your aftermarket tune, causing them to fail. Who's to blame? The installer of the filter who overtorqued the box? The manufacturer of the filter? The tuner who increased the pressure of the turbos such that premature wear increased the likelihood of failure?
Or the person sitting behind the wheel knowingly installing this aftermarket stuff, but not willing to take any responsibility?
Gotta pay to play. Insurance policies (warranties) don't remove the responsibility from the owner.
But it's been outlined in the other thread and spelled out in the warranty details: If MBUSA decides to not warranty a repair, Dinan will have their authorized shops inspect and determine the reason for failure, then go from there.
In a rock/hard place world, yeah, it could happen. Once you start piling in various aftermarket goods from various vendors, it blends together. A chunk of that aftermarket filter could break, get sucked into the turbos that are running at higher pressures due to your aftermarket tune, causing them to fail. Who's to blame? The installer of the filter who overtorqued the box? The manufacturer of the filter? The tuner who increased the pressure of the turbos such that premature wear increased the likelihood of failure?
Or the person sitting behind the wheel knowingly installing this aftermarket stuff, but not willing to take any responsibility?
Gotta pay to play. Insurance policies (warranties) don't remove the responsibility from the owner.
